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The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.
“I keep asking them, ‘who are you? What are you doing here? What’s happening,’” she said. “And they said, ‘we have a warrant for the house, a search warrant.’”
She said they ordered her and her daughters outside into the rain before they could even put on clothes.
“They wanted me to change in front of all of them, in between all of them,” she said. “My husband has not even seen my daughter in her undergarments—her own dad, because it’s respectful. You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”
Marisa said the names on the search warrant were not hers or anyone in her family.
“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying. We’re citizens.”
She said the agents didn’t care.
“They were very dismissive, very rough, very careless,” she said. “I kept pleading. I kept telling them we weren’t criminals. They were treating us like criminals. We were here by ourselves. We didn’t do anything.”
Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”
“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”
Before they left, Marisa said one of the agents made a comment.
“One of them said, ‘I know it was a little rough this morning,’” she said. “It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was a little rough? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow.”
Now, Marisa said they have, quite literally, nothing.
“I said, ‘when are we going to get our stuff back?’ They said it could be days or it could be months,” she said.
Marisa said she is left with nothing but questions.
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Definitely cant see any comparisons to the SS there 👍
some fucking gestapo shit
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The term used for it in law enforcement is “civil asset forfeiture”. For her to get it back, her property is going to have to get a lawyer to defend that it is probably not used in a crime or purchased with funds obtained through criminal activity. Doing that is not cheap.
If anyone thinks Schadrach is being a troll, they’re not. CAF is really fucked up when you look into its use and what it takes to get it back.
Yeah, wasn’t trolling. They literally start a court case against the property to determine if that property was used in or purchased through the proceeds of a crime, and the standard is a preponderance of the evidence. Hiring a lawyer to defend your property against the allegation it was bought with drug money or w/e often costs more than replacing it would. Which is the point.
Civil Asset Forfeiture. It’s legal in most states, but some are better than others. Oklahoma is dog shit:
https://ij.org/report/policing-for-profit-3/?state=OK
Seriously people, don’t move to Oklahoma, or really most southern states.
Do not move anywhere in the US, just move out.
LMAO why do people always say this.
If it were that easy, the entire population of every authoritarian country would have already moved out.
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That’s my biggest issue with taking in americans. This isn’t something new, it just wasn’t done so overtly before. The people fleeing it may not agree with what is happening now, but they carry the fundamental issue with them. This is a problem with what america was built on, the freedom to not give half a shit about anyone else, and while a lot of people aren’t like that, and very well may integrate well into european cultures, a lot of other people want to get out because this time it wasn’t in their favour, and learn absolutely fuck all from it.
I think you’re conflating the people who voted for this with the ones who are vehemently against it.
I promise you I’m not. But if the last 20 years have taught me anything, it’s that americans repeatedly fail to see their errors, until it specifically hurts themselves.
A lot of people who either voted for Trump, or didn’t really care about Trump are going to feel the impact of him. This isn’t just about Trump voters though. The democratic party is part of the same oppressive system that loves oligarchs, as long as they get paid by them. Instead of looking within and realising they were wrong, and that the system in the USA is broken throughout, they’re going to chalk it up to “well, that was unfortunate”, and learn absolutely fuckall from it, and vote for the next fascist bastard again next opportunity.
If they move to Europe, their values won’t have changed. They won’t have learned a thing, and they will continue to support that system, and vote for it when they get the permission to do so.
I’m not saying all americans are like this. No country is ever made up entirely of idiots, but the amount that would actually support the systems in place in Europe is a very small minority.
I don’t think you’re getting that they are saying Americans have a stain on their soul whether they are democrat or republican and that shit don’t wash off, I believe it, I’ve traveled the world, I’ve seen what people are and how they act…. an American is not one of them
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At least you won’t get shot or tried (looking at you NK). It is not easy, but not impossible, and there is a tipping point, which is different for everyone as people have different values and scales.
For someone, paying 10$ an egg is survivable as long as their family is close.
I don’t want weak cowards anywhere in my nation, so yeah, you can leave buddy, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way If you are even in this country, I have a feeling you are not.
Weak coward for MAGAts, common sense for everyone else.
You mentioned southern states, but I just checked a few other states, because I was thinking maybe they’re blue, liberal, and it may be better:
HI: D- IL: D- MA: F WA: D-
Oops!!!
For comparison: OK: D- TX: D+
TX scored the highest out of these states. We’re fucked!
Yeah unfortunately it’s no guarantee that blue states are better. Many are, but not all. Colorado, California, and New York all score a ‘C’, still not great but much better.
Police in Oklahoma kicked me out of my house at my ex’s request. No police report, no idea why.
Does not apply to DHS agents.
If you think that’ll stop them, I have a bridge to sell you. In case you hadn’t noticed, the law doesn’t mean anything any more to the people in power.
Why aren’t ice agents getting popped by now?
Because their fellow nazis will retalliate in force
And then promptly shoot each other in the face.
Illegal search and seizure. Where’s the nra? The various groups that swore to uphold the constitution?
“Marisa. Sounds Mexican, she deserves it probably.”
-NRA
Her name is Marisa.
Even Mexicaner
The NRA gave up their ‘jack-booted thugs’ rhetoric and started kissing Republican asses when Bush Jr. was president. Bush very publicly renounced his lifetime membership over LaPierre’s–very, very reasonable and measured–stance that the feds were shitty people. The NRA caved rather than continue to speak the obvious truth, and they’ve had a fetish for licking cop boots ever since.
They’re probably at a klan rally.
Sounds more like a typical homeinvasion robbery using ice disguises
Is there any difference anymore for thr Americans?
The 2nd ammendment will prevent this government tyranny any day now, right?
Hasn’t happened to the right person yet. Fighting back via 2nd amendment is suicide. The government will hang you. But if you have nothing to loose might as well let them pry a hot AR out of your cold dead hands right?
ICE needs to be abolished. If they can’t do their job effectively and legally then they shouldn’t have jobs.
ICE needs to be abolished.
If they can’t do their job effectively and legally thenthey shouldn’t have jobs.FTFY
Racism and ethnic cleansing are not “jobs” that should be done at all.
No shit. But immigration laws are important for good reason at the same time.
Yea it keeps people hating one another simply for being born somewhere else and ensures class warfare amongst the population.
What good reasons?
Immigration laws exist to manage the flow of people into and out of a country, regulating who can enter, for what purpose, and for how long. These laws are based on principles like family reunification, providing humanitarian aid, and recognizing skilled workers who benefit the economy. Additionally, they serve to ensure national security and public safety.
Nice chatgpt reply
Gotta love how lazy people are that they can’t even argue their own point without asking a machine to make it for them.
I get tired of repeating myself
I think everyone here gets tired of you repeating yourself.
If you’ve said it before you could just copy and paste it
The solution to not repeating yourself is to stop talking, but you just love the attention whether negative or positive
Exactly how much arguing with people on Lemmy do you do that you find it too tiresome to do it yourself, but rather than just not engaging, you have a machine do it for you? Tbh, sounds like some shit a troll factory would do.
go back to reddit please. save us the pain of downvoting you
So they exist to solve problems that wouldn’t otherwise exist. Got it.
They exist because governments need to understand who the hell is in their borders for numerous reasons. If you don’t think that borders should exist… well then countries don’t exist… and so on…
This is paranoia not reality. The US has had very open boarders for a long long time, the boarder between Mexico and the US only had check points for commerce for most of my life until W started the fever dream that people moving across the boarder is going to get all the white women killed. This isn’t reality. There aren’t droves of Mexicans raping and killing white women, in fact, immigrants commit the least amount of crime out of any group of people in the US. This isn’t a problem if you aren’t a fucking racist paranoid idiot.
You can easily administrate a region without walling off that region
Countries should not exist, duh!
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I’m going to disregard that first sentence because you’re explaining what they do, not giving good reasons for why they exist. In the second sentence, you indicated the principles that their existence is supposedly rooted in, but still fail to provide a good reason. Now, the third sentence: How do they ensure national security and public safety? Is there meaningful, demonstrable, or statistically significant evidence that this is the case, or are you taking it at face value to be the truth?
No, they’re mostly bullshit actually.
Their job is to cause terrorism they do it well
The cruelty is the point. ICE is the refuge for assholes too racist even by normal Texas police standards.
The first item of the hiring rubrik for ICE is literally; “JERKS ONLY!”
then they shouldn’t have jobs.
for the rest of their lives. and no gov backed living either, they need to be forced to live under the bridge
They need to be dissolved. In acid.
How long before people start pretending to be ICE to basically break and enter into homes to rob people? Not like they can fight back, or even question things, or have due process, if someone in an ICE vest shows up at your door.
People need to start breaking down the doors of the homes of rich white Republicans, accusing them of being illegal aliens, and claiming to be ICE. That’s when this will actually stop.
Is there any evidence it hasn’t happened already? It’s not like they’d announce or even denounce it.
Is there anything morally different between pretending to be ICE to break into people’s homes to rob them and actually being ICE and breaking into people’s homes to rob them?
Being ICE is worse because the victims are more likely to be shot or deported by these goons. Regular burglary just wants your shit with none of that hassle.
This has already been happening for several months: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
What do mean “how long”? It’s exactly what happened here?
No it isn’t, homeland security took responsibility.
Interesting how many just mindlessly upvoted it
ICE is going to finance itself by stealing any money they can find. It’s Mob rules from the government under Trump.
Just like the Gestapo and the SS did
Sooner or later they’ll break in a house with someone similar to them that will welcome them with a semi automatic…
Oh I really want to see them go busting into a home of a 2A gun nut hillbilly. I don’t say this often, but I’d root for the hillbilly.
Gatling guns are legal. Look into it.
everyone needs to remember that if/when this is over, anyone who supported this or participated in it needs to be shunned for the rest of their lives.
shunned? they need to be imprisoned
Imprisoned? They need to bee branded.
Which is probably not going to happen. we could have a government of just democrats and they wouldn’t convict these people.
No, they need to be made examples of. There need to be mass Nuremberg trials, no Nazis left alone, no scientists spared, no business deals.
No mercy.
People who support this shit should be tarred and feathered.
No. They need to be convicted and held to account.
held to account
in mass graves
I’m on your side. Giver.
At this point if I ever have the displeasure of meeting an ice terrorist I’m going to shoot him/her
IANAL, TINLA, but: Don’t publish plans to commit crimes.
If they are standing their ground it might be up for debate.
You gotta be smart, use obscure language embrace missed messaging.
Exhibit A, Your Honor.
Why in the hell would one move to a shitty red run welfare state? ICE is the neo Gestapo or NKVD.
Why is ICE seizing anything outside of whoever they supposedly had a warrant for? Did the warrant say take all electronics and valuables as they are being used to hide/fund someone we don’t like, but the people that live their, yeah their fine let them be? Like what? How is this not just want to be terrorists fucking over people with impunity?
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof. Since then the majority of seizures, 84%, are civil most incidental to purposeless searches that turn up no crime. Many seizures are in fact under $1000 and most are under $2000. In theory you can get your money back but it often would cost thousands so for most victims its impossible to actually get money back without spending more.
Basically for decades the authorities have been acting as robbers and have collectively stolen billions from the people directly often stopping minorities for driving while black and treating the $400 in random bob’s wallet as proceeds of an imaginary crime they don’t need to substantiate. Being black and having $400 is enough.
Who is “we”? Please leave me out of this cult.
We decided we needed to be able to shut down drug dealers by seizing their money without need for any real proof.
This is why it was so important to declare a “War on Drugs.” Most people thought it was just political rhetoric, but it was far more than that. By declaring a literal WAR on drugs, it offers the government an array of options that aren’t available in peacetime. One of those being the ability to alter the way suspects/combatants and their possessions/ weapons are treated. Money and valuables can be treated as a tool of drug dealing, and confiscated as spoils of war.
Youre really misunderstanding what declaring an actual war is or is not. Technically the US has not been in an actual declared war since WWII.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress. The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
You cant declare formal war on drug use because drug use isnt a recognized sovereign country
You’re misunderstanding that you don’t need to declare an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. At any given time there are dozens of official federal emergencies, some of which have been in place for decades, allowing the White House to claim emergency powers.
You do need an actual war to use wartime emergency powers. There are declared emergencies other than war
Youre argument makes no sense, and is contradicted in each sentence.
The Vietnam War, the Korean War, the Iraq wars, none of those were declared as actual war by congress.
And yet, they were still wars, with lots of deaths of Americans. Clearly, those that are committed to fighting wars, don’t feel like they require the distinction of being legally declared wars by Congress.
The war on drugs is just political rhetoric and has no actual legal bearing.
And yet many people have died, been imprisoned, and died as a result. Just try to tell people who are serving years or decades in prison that their sentences were just “political rhetoric,” and had “no actual legal bearing.”
They were imprisoned by actual drug laws that have nothing to do with the usage of the word war.
Youre fundamentally confusing what “political rhetoric” is versus what a legal action is. Calling the war on drugs a war doesnt make it a war with any actual legal modifications for anything.
Calling the war on drugs a war is a political justification for the actions taken against drug use. Therefore, calling the war on drugs a war is not a legal thing. Its just political rhetoric.
I dont see how else to explain that for you
You keep saying that, but their actual actions contradict that.
Its like saying HitlerPig isn’t supposed to rule with Executive Actions, he needs to legislate through Congress, as Constitutionally-mandated, and yet here he is, doing it.
It doesn’t matter what the law says, if the result is the same. They framed the “War on Drugs” as political rhetoric to provide plausible deniability for enablers like you, when in reality, it was absolutely used as a justification to greatly militarize law enforcement, deny citizens (mostly minorities) their Constituional and Civil Rights, increase prison sentences, embrace civil forfeiture, etc. You accepted it as strong language to fight the drug scourge, but they used it as cover to supress our rights, in the name of drugs.
It worked so well, they used the same strategy again. In the 2000s, they used the threat of Terrorism to declare a War on Terror, and establish Homeland Security, and reduce our rights even more.
The smartest thing to do at this point is just block you because you literally don’t understand what words mean and when called on literal nonsense just double down on the nonsense.
The war on drugs has only ever been rhetoric. It never literally gave anyone any additional powers because it is not in any way shape or form a declared war and has no legal meanings other than the ones you have completely fabricated in your alternate history.
Civil asset forfeiture… It’s uh, it’s not great.
It is so demoralizing to try and explain civil asset forfeiture. I’ve never had a single person believe that it’s real when I tell them about it - everybody insists that it can’t possibly be true since it’s so flagrantly unconstitutional.
It’s “constitutional” because they’re accusing the “money” of being used illegally. There’s no actual person being accused here, but if you want to get your money back you’ll need to prove it’s innocence in court.
It’s ridiculous. At least the Institute for Justice has been winning court cases against this, but there’s still a long way to go: https://ij.org/issues/private-property/civil-forfeiture/
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John Oliver had a segment on this that may help convince people that it is real: https://youtu.be/3kEpZWGgJks
“The court system in my country is so close-knit with the police that they have a policy of not charging cops with most of the crimes they might commit when on duty or requiring any proof of their statements in court.” Yeah it’s demoralizing but I don’t find it hard to explain because at a high level the issue isn’t complicated.
Let’s call it what it is. State sponsored theft of civilians.
It’s piracy.
If it is piracy that is authorized by the government it’s called privateering.
Why does ICE have jurisdiction to seize civil assets anyway? Does my cash need a fucking passport now?
The United States Government vs tree fiddy, the honorable OleWhitey Mcfash presiding.
They have been doing shit like this for years anyway. The cops in some communities even outright stop countless vehicles coming out in order to 'seize drug money’and they end up taking any cash the person has without any evidence whatsoever. This is some Robin Hood villain shit.
Robin Hood was stealing from the rich to give to the poor, not robbing the poor for the rich.
“Robin Hood villain”
Robbin the hood
How do you know they are even ICE. Not saying they aren’t agents, but there was an EO that basically repurposed a lot of other agencies to become ICE deputies. DEA, ATF, etc.
The cops have been the biggest thieves for a long time.
