“Can’t wait to watch this in 10 years when it’s finished”
Yeah no shit, I stop caring after 2 years
Care? I’ve forgotten the series even exists after 1 year.
It also hurts to kill shows that were really good and instead replace them with reality TV trash.
reality shows serves the lowest common denominators, no need to pay for scriptwriters or actors, low cost.
“Data suggests” as if it necessitated a deep study and wasn’t very apparent already.
There’s a certain impression among management that “apparent” isn’t enough to make justifiable decisions. To make proper decisions, you need facts. The most obvious type of facts are numbers.
There is a common misconception that numbers and a story about them are required for good decisions. Worse, some seem to think they’re all it takes.
“If you can’t measure it, you can’t manage it” is bullshit and MBAs were a mistake.
Netflix is especially susceptible to this since their platform gave them far far more data about viewing habits than any previous media platform. I’m not surprised they got addicted to data, and then went down the fallacious path of “facts don’t exist unless they’re in our data”.
I think they are falling into the same trap as the quantitative fallacy that McNamara fell into. They only think in terms of numbers and nothing else. So they only care about what’s measurable. You know what’s not measurable? Art. Taste. Their entire business model. So of course a bunch of MBAs are going to fuck it all up because they are just extrapolating what was good in the past and what is quantifiable. Of course they have no over arching strategy and their tent poles end like a wet fart because they don’t have any direction in mind and they can’t stop fucking inserting themselves. I get the feeling that the execs at Netflix (much like most producers) don’t even like the productions they are a part of. Like watching the McDonald’s CEO try to eat a hamburger.
So they only care about what’s measurable.
Worse yet, they’ll pick something measurable, declare it an appropriate proxy, handwave any concerns about accuracy with the 80/20 rule (without ever checking whether the inaccuracy actually fits into those 20%), talk about the higher level view and big picture and make my life hard by refusing to actually engage with my questions about what they wanna measure, then complain when they don’t understand the result of my best guess.
Some managers are lovely to work with. Others have a bunch of buzzwords and wisecrack quotes that sound authoritative in place of sound reasoning.
Listen to me, all your series are shit anyway. I stopped counting how many shows I gave a try because someone told that this one was dope. I’m amazed by what people find so cool. The one with the doctor? Lame. The one with the professor who cooks drugs? Maybe two half good ideas and then pfff ten seasons of crap on autopilot. Etcetera, etcetera
Some of the most popular and awarded shows in the history of television and they’re trash to you. You must be fun at parties
Babe, the movie with the little pig earned plethora of awards too. I wouldn’t compare it to a Beethoven’s symphony, though.
What TV do you like?
Most people crave filler. That’s why they watch TV in the first place. They want something to waste their time on.
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New data from Domino’s suggests that waiting 16 hours for pizza delivery did not please customers. More at 11:00.
Of course. Half the shows I’ve seen I just forget about before I second season comes out, much less a third. If the seasons were longer maybe it would stick in my craw longer.
The “release them all at once so they binge” strategy is also a big part nobody’s talking about.
Yeah - I’ll binge a show if I’m able because I have no self control, but it’s not how they should be watched if you want to keep people engaged. You lose the water cooler talk about last night’s episode.
My boss and I have similar tastes in TV, and we rarely discuss Netflix shows because they’re flashes we burn through over a weekend. But when episodes of Star Trek or The Pitt are drip-fed to us, we end up talking about them every week.
Not even just Netflix. My interest in a show like severance has completely dissipated. I could care less if the show ends in writing or ends by cancellation. It has taken way too long for this show to get more episodes, let alone wrap up. I do not want to rewatch the show every time a new season comes out just so I do not miss out on key details on the new season. I do not want to watch a summary at the beginning of each episode to remind me of those key details because I didn’t rewatch the whole series before starting the new episodes. Oh and only for them to release 8 episodes per season at that!?!
Then take something like pluribis, really good TV show they were greenlit for two seasons by apple right off the bat. Yet only had one ready when it released? What bullshit is that? I am tired of getting invested in worlds only for me to have to wait years to MAYBE get invested again. What happened to the 25 episode per season days… Fuck we had it good.
seems all these shows always ends with terribly written series finale anyways, because they took so long in between seasons they forgotten how the show went.
With Pluribus, the first season aired in November 2025, and as of June 2026 they still haven’t finished writing season 2 yet. I have no idea why it’s like that.
Meanwhile on the other end of the spectrum, Slow Horses season 6 starts this week, and they’re already filming season 8 lol.
God Pluribus sucked. IDK how Vince Gilligan went from producing some of the best television in history with Breaking Bad and Saul, to this absolute snooze-fest of a show. I couldn’t even make it past the second episode. Even with its slow-burn storytelling, BCS was still more attention-grabbing than Pluribus.
I watched the whole season and thought it was okay (but yeah very slow like you say), and TBH I’ve already forgotten what happened and I don’t particularly want to watch the whole thing again to catch up if season 2 is still a year away (or more.)
What happened to the 25 episode per season days
I, for one, do not miss those days. That being said, shows with that many episodes were either cheap/not very good or had short episodes (around 22 minutes). In the latter case, that would make the season around 12 episodes long which isn’t all that different from what we have now.
I heard an analysis of it once that when you had 22-24 episode seasons you could take chances on a couple episodes. You had episodes that did a western theme or shot it in reverse or some other odd thing. Not all we’re hits but at least it was different from everything else and sometimes they were amazing. Now with 8 episodes everything has to drive the plot forward.
You’re not just talking ablut posssibilities, but also about extremely different types of shows. You can have both. I like shows like community that do the type of thing you mention but I enjoy shows like barry far more.
I like those series that are 15-20 episodes and then done. A lot of Korean series are like that.
Damn right. A good miniseries will always trump a good long running one in my books.
What’s with the downvotes though? Do people dislike maths or something?
I’ll never watch Friends, Buffy or any other series from that era because there is way too much to watch! Fully agree with you.
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This
Its an obvious thing and I’ve stopped watching countless shows because it took years to get to the next season of just only 10 over produced episodes
Those that I did watch, it took me half of those episodes yo just get back into it again, and quite a few I just dropped out before I got to that half because of course you’re completely out of it
Then the 10 episodes… Give me back the 24 45 minutes episodes, PLEASE. I want the filler bottle episodes as many of the best episodes are bottle shows. The few over produced episodes are typically lots of bowwow, fireworks and bling bling fun spectacles, but they’re rarely the best episodes.
Presumably thats why Silo shot season 3 and 4 back-to-back, and is releasing season 4 about 9-10 months after season 3 ended, as opposed to the 2 years that most streaming shows put between seasons.
i wonder if they suddenly realized it? but its too late, apple tv+ seems to be pulling back some of it shows.
“No shit” /thread
The shitty writing is also hurting Netflix viewership. As is cancelling shows that are well written and have a fanbase just because you have to pay the actors and staff more after 3 seasons.
that too, sandman had the comic to go on, but they still are pretty cringly written, not to mention change the characthers away from the source material. we know gwendoline was great, but she doesnt fit into the lucifer role. blood of zeus had issues too apparently.
What you don’t want to wait 3 years for a new season of a show that will be far more written by a committee of execs who know nothing of artistry and only care about metrics and what’s currently popular, only to find out a month to a year later that it’s been canceled prematurely?
or netflix, wait a few years, then make 1 last season and then cancelling it, while they forgot the other seasons already.
It’s also because a season is only 8 episodes and dumped all at once. You don’t have time to digest it. You end up binging the episodes so other people don’t spoil it for you, then you easily forget what happened. It’s like Netflix purposefully designed their shows to be forgettable.
Well they’re certainly being written so people on their phones can understand them.
All the shows I am currently into are technically still around; but they haven’t put out an episode for several years now. By the time they do release something, I’ll have fucking forgot about it. But they’ll also only put out 6 fuckin’ episodes which leads me to wonder what the hell was going on that whole time? There’s no way it took 3 years to film 6 fucking episodes of a show that is just people talking in the same location every time.
Animes are way ahead in this department. They have been releasing those recap episodes for a long time.
On a personal note though, I avoid ongoing works like the plague, because you never know when you are gonna get hooked on a series that stays on a cliffhanger for like 10 years and yes, AoT, I’m looking at you.
I can’t speak to the specific show you were thinking of, but it definitely could take that long. TV shows used to be leaner and lower budget, because they had such a fast pace. Nowadays each episode is not far off from a feature film on polish and sometimes length. If each episode is an hour, a 6 episode series is practically 3 feature films-worth of work.
I’d love to see shows go back to that old model of quicker runs with leaner budgets and less fx reliance. Not saying all shows should be that way, but it would be nice to have a mix.
also the cancelling of the shows before season one finishes.
I would welcome more of that. Don’t write season 1 to set up an arc that will take 7 seasons to complete. Don’t end it on a cliff hanger. I would love more single season shows. That way, I watch the last episode, appreciate the fine work that the cast and crew did, and forget about it for the rest of my life (unless I want to rewatch it or recommend it to a friend).
Recently, there was a bit of an uproar because Spider-Man Noir is starting to be nominated for awards but Amazon has announced that they are not doing a second season. I think Amazon’s error was considering season 2 at all. The show has a neat arc, it ties up all the loose threads, and the final scene is the characters moving on with their lives.
The arc takes as long as they think they can get away with it and hold viewers. Stringing people along like Game of Thrones did. I doubt they have much of a plan beyond 3-5 seasons for most series these days.
I am sure that when writers start a show with a multi-season arc, they have a mental map of what they want to tell in each season. Then the studio comes along and cancels the show after they film a cliffhanger or tells them to stretch the final part of the story into 3 more seasons (and then cancels it after the first of the filler seasons flops).
From what I understand, that was not the case for Game of Thrones. Going into the last season, the show still had a great audience and ratings and HBO was eager to keep milking it. It was the writers who insisted on ending the show and had enough clout to get HBO to agree. My assumption is that they ran out of ideas to keep the show going, realized that George R. R. Martin was hoping they would come up with an ending he could use in the books, and resigned on a high trying to get other jobs before the final season ruined their reputations.
they were able to keep fans happy with house of dragons series.
People move on. Old data proved this decades ago but in the digital world, everything is new again.
