Not surprising, apparently no one in the USA gives a damn about traffic safety.
Deregulation because money.
I’m sure Tracy Morgan has an opinion on this decision
The last 2 links I’ve clicked on I’ve learned that Grizz died and Tracy almost died. Someone tell me Dotcom is doing okay
I read the articles at the time but they didn’t tell me Grizz died, why did you do this to me?
Now I’m sad that he’s dead and that the articles at the time didn’t think he was worth mentioning over a REAL celebrity.
A very rich man hundreds or thousands of miles away accepts the risks to other peoples lives as a great deal.
How is someone supposed to get proper sleep working a sixteen hour day!?
Sorry wrong place to reply.
Carry on please!
Well, if they don’t eat, shower, take a walk or rest, never clean their clothes, do any chores or have free time, they can still sleep for ~7h after they park the truck and make sure the load is still secured.
That’s totally not slavery!
That’s the cool part. You never could get those things. So don’t think this is anything new.
Source: In my youth, I was dumb enough to drive for a few years, but I was never stupid enough to own one…
if they are supplying cocaine.
The drug of choice for truckers is meth.
The point is moot. With diesel skyrocketing they won’t be able to drive at all.
Trump is doing something Algore could only have wet dreams about… Trump is ending the Diesel and internal combustion engine (poorly planned acronymy). He might not like it but as soon as he is out and all the refineries are in shambles something has to replace all that. Probably hydrogen, and battery powered vehicles.
Trump is not that smart
It doesn’t matter. What matters is the guy is taming and cramming all the bulks he can find into the oil business China shop when the rest of the world leads in clean energy. When the dust settles, my guess is people will still be cold in winter and hot in summer and will still not care about where their energy comes from.
Toyota tried hydrogen years ago and it didn’t really catch on. If the global gas economy crashes, I know a lot of locations they could use as hydrogen fuel pumps.
It didn’t catch on because it’s stupid on multiple levels, from infrastructure engineering to realpolitik. Japan as a nation is just desperate for energy independence and pretending the hydrogen will be sourced from the expensive electrolysis and not cheap natural gas refinement was a way to get free government money.
They convinced themselves that all the petrostates, which includes America and Russia, would just abandon their current economic advantage to pay them billions of dollars to rebuild their entire vehicle fuel infrastructure, since they would be the industry leaders and the only major source of engineering knowhow.
Well I’d like to add that Ford did too indirectly and it works. I personally rode both a fuel cell bus and one with a Ford Hydrogen combustion engine and both worked wonderfully. The hydrogen was sourced from electrolysis at a wind turbine. It was a proof of concept. And most relevantly… Toyota is at this again. It actually never quit because it is a smart move. Hydrogen can be easily had from natural gas or water and natural gas or oil is already the normal fuel. So you start at normal, then you switch when normal is gone. It’s expensive but let’s remember, Japan is an island with no oil deposits and a ton of smart people. Ofcourse they would try to figure it out.
…it might be a new benefit in hiring, we’ll compensate a per centage of your fuel costs…after two months…and we’ve earned interest on it…follow my rabbit hole for further financial advice…/s?
Then the industry practice will be to force all the truckers with than benefit after 1 month, 3 weeks, 6 days so they don’t have to pay it.
…you must be a graduate of my FAMILY accounting course, any problems with that?..menaces
Lol. The U.S. is on a suicide speedrun.
As a non-American, I find it baffling and hilarious that many Americans are proud to work 80 hours a week. It’s not a flex. They’d regret having done so when they become too frail and forgetful at the old age. And all the money they saved and pension being collected will be spent on healthcare and medication instead.
They did not even live their life when they were young and they won’t even enjoy the remainder.
They’re fucking dumb
Propagandized == Dumb. No one is immune to propaganda, but propaganda can be overcome.
Just like the Japanese and Chinese right?
Didn’t live when was young. Can confirm.
apparently in academia, they think its a flex for PI to be working that much, granted the competitive to be hired at 4-year is pretty high.
Jokes on you, I’m young(ish) and not enjoying it already. Haven’t been enjoying it since about 2002.
We don’t even have pensions.
Nah, it’s been a marathon this is just that last sprint before the finish.
The finish line is a cliff/societal collapse.
A couple years ago in the US, they switched from largely paper-based driver logging and random checks to an all-electronic tracking system, which was much more difficult to fake. Basically overnight, every rest stop and free truck parking area was jam-packed, and states have had to expand them since. It’s important to note that nothing about the rest requirements actually changed, just how they were enforced. So, logically, before the electronic logging, a large number of truckers were just flagrantly ignoring the law, and it became evident after the fact.
I wonder if there’s a name for that kind of phenomena.
I don’t know about a name. I will just write it once more as this is yet another example of: “self-regulation is the same as no regulation”.
You think we would have learned this from school. When there’s no teacher in the room to watch the testing, some kids alway cheat. The more they get away with it, the more kids decide to cheat. This seems super basic, but somehow they still convince people “self regulation” works.
self-regulation is the same as no regulation
Yup!
A couple years ago? My grandpa was a trucker and this changed before he died over a decade ago.
Time flies. I was in the industry, working for one of the first companies to install electronic tachographs into trucks. When I left in 2011, our customers were largely hazardous materials transporters, with a sprinkling of companies that were caught with so many HOS violations that the DOT ordered them to use devices like hours. That was indeed more than a decade ago, but it feels like yesterday.
Yeah, I guess the paper logs phaseout started in 2017, so a couple more years than a couple 🤣
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/hours-service/elds/implementation-timeline
As they say: time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like an banana.
If you’re driving 16 hours a day, then your cargo should probably be going by rail.
Well this is fuel hauling, so multiple stops or loads in a day to service stations. Even if they had rail service set up at the gas station for delivery, rail companies in the US hate small customers like that these days.
Hm now I’m wondering how the volumes compare, between what one truck carries and how much one gas station stores.
I just noticed I have no idea how large those burried tanks are.
Just a couple of years ago in my neighborhood a truck driver was arrested because he offloaded 4000 gallons of gasoline at a gas station, then ran the hose down an embankment next to the station and pumped the remaining 8000 gallons into a creek. He did this because he wanted to go home and didn’t feel like making the rest of his stops. He apparently thought nobody would notice; for bonus points this was right next to a charter school which had to be evacuated while they cleaned up the mess.
He was arrested and sentenced to 20+ years in prison. This is the intelligence level that can get hired as a fuel truck driver (TBF I’m sure they’re not all that stupid).
Edit: just for funsies, the gas station where this happened recently rebranded as a “Freedom Fuel” station lol.
I’ve herd of people dumping the news papers they had to deliver in order to say they diliverd them. But this is different. Doesn’t the guy need to get the invoice signed at every station?
I think his strategy was to tell his bosses he had run out of fuel and wouldn’t be able to make the rest of his deliveries. But I dunno, the articles about this never said what his thought process was. I drive past this station twice a day and the stink from it was horrible. 8000 gallons is a lot of fucking gas.
This reminds me that years ago I was friends with a bunch of Red Bull girls. Their job was to pick up the Red Bull mini-cooper, fill it with cases of Red Bull and then drive around handing out free samples wherever people were while being attractive. They were very good at the being attractive part, but most days they would just drive to the river, dump the cases of Red Bull in it, and then go home and get high. Their bosses suspected something like this was going on and gave them all Windows Mobile PDAs that tracked their location by GPS. I checked out the tracking app (I was a Windows Mobile developer at the time) and it turned out it just logged their GPS coordinates once an hour into a plain text file. I showed them how to edit the file to make it look like they were driving around – just doing my part saving at least some people from trying fucking Red Bull.
The only way this would be more efficient would for direct piping but this would be less efficient as you would need to create a network and not all stations would want to sign up. The airports in the UK operat this but this was so it’s harder to cut supplies off to airports as they are critical infrastructure.
rail has ludicrously expensive infrastructure and no way of adding new stops in less than multiple years.
It was made expensive by letting the oil companies force regulatory capture on it, then tear up all the rails they let could. There were more rails in the US 100 years ago then there are today. Adding stops didn’t take years when there were already rails near by to branch off of. The only reason adding stops is so hard now it because the cut down lines.
don’t train stops still need significantly more land than is practical for individual gas stations to have?
One train stop (utility freight, not passanger) is much larger, sure. But how many tons does it process compared to an 18-wheeler? Then, in high density urban centers where you have passenger trains, they normally put them underground. Meaning, the only “land” they take up is about the size of 2 pumps, without the accompanying convenient store. Meanwhile, they remove thousands of cars off the road per day.
It is unquestionably more efficient to run more trains for both freight or passenger. That is why oil and gas hate it. So they buy-in and stack the boards of the rail companies, beg congress for more “regulation and safety”, and cripple expansion with mandatory oversight comittees to slow down whatever gets through. All classic plays.
and what about in less urban areas, where there are a higher number of gas stations per person? where you don’t need more than a semitruck of gasoline/desil/propane per week?
Then we’ll be expected to ignore the immediate uptick in related accidents and fatalities
Why do you think every other billboard on the interstate is for some lawyer suing truckers? Then trucker insurance goes up and they pass that expense on to shippers and everything gets more expensive. Businesses don’t care because everything’s is owned by the same private equities anyway - so the rich get richer.
Yup, my father drives semi’s hauling cargo, and he’s seen and told me of the number of horrific accidents that happen. We live in the same city and if he tells me of a recent accident he’s seen, it almost never is reported through the news, but that could be biased since I don’t search all of the news sites for it. But when a semi ploughs through a line of cars, killing several people on the freeway that were stopped from a previous accident ahead of them, I would expect to see it on most local stations…but it wasn’t. Similar accident with long team haulers, driver fell asleep at wheel hit another semi from behind, destroyed the truck killing both, my father said as he drove by the accident he could see body parts strewn along the road. So, so many stories.
PS all this has me extreme vigilant and paranoid when driving around semi’s on the freeway, especially those people who can’t pass a semi and just hang out next to them matching their speed when I’m trying to get around them too
Like any recurring events it’s boring reporting every deadly event in a city. Like suicides or school shooting. Next your going to want the wether to be news or sporting events to end every news show. Should they hire a different person to explain eather of these things.
Car companies don’t want their advertisement to be muddled by car crashes.
The news will most certainly ignore it
Or blame it on Mexicans.
Unrelated, it could be because of those leftists and their Biden era agendas!!!
Too many bike lanes - someone who lives where a bike lane has never been considered
I don’t follow what you’re saying
I’m pretty sure the person you’re replying to is satirizing what a Republican response would or could be.
I see. I thought it was sarcasm but I wasn’t totally sure how.
Truckers arent going to be driving anywhere if the price of diesel doesnt slow.
We’ve got to remove private monopolies on rail lines so freight rail can be used efficiently as a major alternative to trucking.
I don’t think many people understand how that will affect them.
Well they won’t change how they vote, IMO.
After being unable to convince anyone of anything that was going to happen and change even one mind, my only joy is watching them suffer the results of their shitty choices. My next high is scheduled for next year when everyone scratches their head on why the governemt needs to double the national deficit to bail out Dario and Sam.
I hope they all die violent deaths.
Fun fact: it’s definitely not going to slow. It’s about to get even worse. Unless of course the government decides to subsidize the hell out of diesel to make it cheaper.
Is Elmo’s electric truck ready yet?
its filled with ketamine.
Volvo’s is.
https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/trucks/electric.html
Ford and GM canceled their electric delivery vans though. Perfect timing!
https://insideevs.com/news/776511/gm-brightdrop-production-ending-2025/
https://fordauthority.com/2025/12/ford-ev-van-also-cancelled-new-gas-model-will-take-its-place/
American car manufacturers are terrified of having to compete with Chinese EVs, so they’re not even going to make them at all.
An outstanding long-term stragegy, but nowadays, even CEOs don’t give a damn about “long term”. They’ll take their tens of millions of $ compensation package and move on to another company, leaving the mess to the next one.
Capitalism at its top efficiency.
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Best I can offer is a Canadian diesel electric hybrid.
Now with 1,000% more toddler tantrum tariffs.
Edison is doing some crazy shit
Those are diesel-electric though. Effectively a diesel locomotive on wheels.
Bah, we don’t need to Commiedian Hybrid nonsense, we’re MURRICA. We will just conquer Commieda and take their oil to lower prices!
/s
Has been on the road for years and they’re expanding to Europe next year… Nothing close to original promised specs, but there’s videos on YouTube just asking their drivers what they think, they mostly like them.
Europe has had electric trucks from Volvo, Mercedes, MAN and Freightliner for years; forgive us if we’re not overly excited about the arrival of that ugly ass PoS…
I didn’t defend or promote it as a good thing, I just stated a fact. Pretending like it doesn’t exist just because you don’t like it or pedo-nazi Elmo doesn’t change the fact that it does…
It has the full self driving working right?
You know that scene in Logan with all the autonomous trucks driving around? That’s what it’s gonna be like.
Not to worry. We can always increase the limit to 24 hours per day, and make them drag the trailers with bicycles.
We can just import more meth from the drug boats we blew up.
Even the original 14 is horrible. Here it’s 9-10 hours per day max, with a cap of 56 hours per week.
I was about to say, they are alliwed 14 hour drives? Clownshit
And required pauses.
The US has laws about taking breaks, but of course they’re woefully inadequate.
It’s now no more than 8 driving without 30 minutes not driving. Used to have to be off duty, but now it can be on duty not driving, so fueling or unloading or whatnot. So not a break per se.
The problem will solve itself when diesel runs out in a few weeks, from what i hear the whole fuel production system is strained to the limit, so a even a small breakdown will give ripples through the system.
I think we’d sooner see gas dry up than diesel. If it comes push to shove it’s a lot easier to replace gas vehicles than diesel, there’s simply no alternative for global shipping!
Diesel is already drying up. Local gas stations in my area have already stopped selling it at some locations, moreso in coastal cities as well.
Same thing is happening in Europe btw, 11% of France’s gas stations have run out of gas or diesel completely, with no signs of it getting better.
Experiencing a 1970s style fuel crisis is not on my bucket list.
Slavery.
In the 13th amendment i believe. Totally cool and totally legal.
This is like bumping the speed limit up five mph. People are already speeding, now the “enforced” limit is just higher. Some truck drivers push things to try and get more loads in a week. Electronic logs makes this harder to hide, but they still do it. Which gets back to the reason for the rule, to reduce fatigue on the road. Be careful out there, since no one making sure the roads are safer.
Increasing the speed limit is likely to mean people just adjust the level of speeding to match.
If everyone is driving 45 in a 40, increasing it to 45 means they will go 50.
That’s exactly what happens. And some of those who were “going too fast for the road” are now “legal”. Which is what will happen with truckers. They won’t be okay with the new 16 hour limit, they were probably pushing it past that already. They’ll just see if it they can go a bit more. Meaning more risk for everyone so we can get more stuff consumed faster.
Except in a few exceptional circumstances this is surprisingly not the case. People drive at a speed they perceive as appropriate for the design of the road. Wider roads, wider lanes, straighter roads, open sightlines, and bigger shoulders will make people naturally settle on driving faster. This is why just blithely reducing speed limits with poxy signs on problem roads famously doesn’t accomplish anything. It’s also why people go bombing down the stroad in your local commercial district at 55+ MPH in complete contravention of all the signs everywhere that probably say something around 35. The damn thing looks like a highway to peoples’ monkey brains, so they treat it as such.
People certainly talk about how “my strategy for speeding is to take the speed limit and then you can go around 5/10/15/whatever over and the cops probably won’t care,” and if you sit there in the passenger seat and actively press them on it they may actually drive that way for as many as several consecutive minutes. But in actual reality most of them just fall back to their perceptual “intuitive” speed for whatever road along with everyone else. Especially if they see everyone else passing them.
Increasing and decreasing speeds have different results. A speed tgat seems too slow is not treated the same as one that is too fast.
You are correct that reducing speeds under the speed people drive doesn’t tend to reduce speeds actually driven. Speed limits are not as effective as things thst encourage driving slower.
Increasing speed limits doesn’t mean people ignore the limit and go under the new limit. They do scale up, including those who tend to drive a certain amount over the limit.
UK national speed limit is a good example of this in some places. Narrow country lanes, yeah technically the speed limit is 60 but you will die if you tried it and it would be considered driving dangerously. So people don’t drive above the speed limit.
Some still drive dangerously fast, they would do so anywhere. But the speed limit isn’t setting their speed.
Recently heard someone at work moaning about getting their 3rd penalty for speeding and not being able to take a speed awareness course because of how many times they have done it now.
Guy said he usually drives almost 80 in a 70. Yeah that will do it. He might lose his license soon, but apparently the oldest one does expire soon.
Here, if you aren’t doing 75+ in a 70, you are a road hazard. It varies from state to state, but here 10 over is considered completely sane, and the chance of being pulled over for it are slim outside of a school zone or the cop’s own neighborhood. I’ve had cops start tailgating me because I was only going 5 over.
Well, except for the people that use the policy to keep their bosses accountable for letting them have comparatively reasonable hours.
Bumping the speed limit 5mph kills x-thousand more people per year.
Relaxing all these various regulations set up decades ago to reduce deaths will probably do the same. Look for more truck accidents, coming soon. I’ve seen enough of them weaving and drifting during late night trips before, but it’s okay, give them a few more hours on the road.
