The only reason I keep Facebook is for unhinged stuff like this

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      Y’all always love eugenics jokes. And like always, before you get pissed about me telling you that this is a eugenics joke, yes, equating evolution with intelligence is reliant on eugenicist notions of natural human ability and evolution as a process that picks out the “bad” or “weak” elements of a species.

      Darwinism is a concept that only refers to how traits are passed on through physical reproduction, not what normative values those traits have in terms of “good” or “bad.” What you’re referring to is more akin to social-Darwinism, which was a pseudoscientific concept that emerged in the late-nineteenth century as a catch-all rationalization of social inequities along the lines of arbitrary social values like industriousness, naturalized class, racism, ableism, etc.

      Unsurprisingly, it was popular among Nazis. I hope you understand the irony in applying it here to make fun of a person who subscribes to an anti-science concept promoted by fascists.

      Edit: and there you are, predictably pissed, as chuds often are.

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    Mebendazole and ivermectin combined to 275mg? The typical ivermectin dose alone is .2mg/kg, so a 180lb/81.5kg person would only take 16-ish mg. So this person took way more ivermectin than needed for a parasitic infection (and stupid for taking it without one). Mebebdazole is 100mg/x2 a day, so this is more than double the dose for a single recommended pill.

    Just in case anyone wants to know how much not to take.

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      i think ever since covid ivermectin has become a magical cureall for idiots, and the more the betterer as far as the dosage goes.

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        TBF, we don’t know, if they were dense enough to be taking that, we don’t know where they’ve been.

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        It’s also a human dewormer, or many other kinds of parasite. At proper dosage it’s generally a very safe drug. Two things.

        1. Ivermectin is a drug that costs cents to make 100s of pills. If you’re paying $500 for a bottle… They saw you coming.
        2. Don’t buy medications from scammers. See point 1.
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    Explanation: You’re a gullible idiot. Don’t worry, I’ll be sure and tell everyone at your funeral.

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    Please no emotions as I am a looksmaxxing robot that only cares about looking great and being confused why women don’t like me

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      George Carlin from the grave: By calling it an ‘alternative’ you are directly implying that it is not the actual thing.

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        I miss that guy. Can you even imagine what he would have had to say about the first Trump presidency, let alone the second?

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      Im all on the “listen to the medical experts” train.

      There are however some medicines and treatments that legitimately started as “alternative”.

      A lot of it is horseshit though.

      Also modern medicine isn’t infallible(nor the people that practice it).

      Statistically though, it’s fucking high magic compared to most internet sourced diagnoses.

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        Also modern medicine isn’t infallible(nor the people that practice it).

        Have friends in the medical field, a lot of time they are just sort of trying shit and then are happy it worked.

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          Medical science is just that, medicine that follows the scientific method. (Or at least it’s supposed to).

          The scientific method is basically testing guesses (sometimes educated ones) and seeing what happens.

          There’s a whole lot of structure and guidelines, but testing guesses(hypotheses) is where it’s at mostly.

          The current state of any science is usually “the best theory we have right now, given the data and resources available to us”

          Some people hear that and think “look, they’re just guessing, why should I listen to them?” and thats absolutely valid.

          Where that falls down is that they then go on to assume all guesses are equal and ignore the time and resources that went in to that current scientific best guess.

          Is it always correct? no, is it more likely to be beneficial than a random social media post by an influencer with no medical expertise? Generally yes.

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            I would expand “testing guesses” to repeatedly testing guesses. It’s a fundamental thing to be able to recreate the testing results, or it’s not science at all it’s just fuckign around lol

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            The people who “guess” are guessing way down the decision tree, not like hmm is this cancer or a flu?

            They also are highly trained, in a field that is centuries old.

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              Indeed, though I’d argue that’s an issue with modern academia as an industry rather than the scientific method itself.

              edit: not that the scientific method doesn’t have it’s flaws.

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          sort of trying shit and then are happy it worked

          Most professions could be described like this, but when doctors are “trying shit” it is backed up by many years of training and education, and their behavior is scrutinised by professional bodies and so on.

          When your local quack is “trying shit” it’s just based on the vibe.

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        The difference between medicine and “alternative medicine” is proof of effectiveness. If something provably works it’s medicine.

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          That’s certainly a definition.

          (As a genuine question) How dos that definition account for the placebo effect ?

          edit: re-read this and realised it sounded significantly more confrontational than i intended, so i added bracket context.

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            “Proof of effectiveness” means a placebo controlled trial. Preferably multiple, with sample sizes substantial enough for sufficient statistical power.

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              Or we could just start selling placebo tablets and make a fortune. I have some clay in my garden that should be easy enough to shape into pill shapes. We could even paint a few of them red and sell those as extra strong.

              Not hurting anyone…

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                Um Clay would have an effect. Use powdered sugar and simply compress them into a pill. This is literally one way they do already make placebos in pill form. You can buy a pill press on amazon

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                  Sugar isn’t great for diabetics. Wouldn’t clay just pass through as it has no nutritional value.

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              ah, that makes sense.

              Does that still apply if the underlying mechanism isn’t understood?

              I know examples of this exist already , I’m wondering if “proof of effectiveness” really means just the effectiveness in this context.

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                Effectiveness is independent of mechanism. As an example, to my knowledge SSRIs don’t really make sense but mostly outperform placebo.

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                  Agreed,

                  Pretty sure anesthesia is similar, (in the not fully understanding the underlying mechanism)

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                We are only ‘pretty sure’ of the mechanism of how Tylenol works biochemically as of 2025.

                You can test for effectiveness and dangers and everything else you need to prescribe something to get a good idea of whether its actually doing something or not.

                ‘Alternative medicine’ is largely, “I felt better after a bit”.

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                  We didn’t know how alcohol worked but it was still an effective medicine for battlefield surgeons through history.

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            I would say how doesn’t it?

            A placebo is known to NOT work. That medicine has defined, understands and even utilizes the placebo effect is exactly in that definition.

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              It’s known to potentially have an effect , even if the actual treatment administered was known(by third parties) to be inert and the effect wasnt the one originally planned.

              Thats not the same as not working at all.

              This is a core part of blind tests, the whole reason you test using a placebo is to isolate the effects that can’t be attributed to the actual medicine.

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                I’m not sure why you are repeating what I said as if I didn’t already say that.

                Yes, it’s known to have an effect. But the placebo itself literally does nothing. It’s not a placebo unless it is guaranteed to do nothing or it wouldn’t have any value to science with how they use it. Any effect is psychosomatic and NOT an effect of the placebo. Hence the term “placebo effect” this is incredibly important when testing to gather useful data.

                I’m guessing you just misunderstood what I was saying since you seem to be repeating me, other than the distinction between placebo and placebo effect

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                  • I asked about the placebo effect, by name.
                  • You recited the placebo effect to me like i didn’t just mention it directly.
                  • I recited it back with extra detail , to make clear that i know what it means.
                  • You recited it again, with additional detail, and asked me if i misunderstood your reply containing the definition of the thing i was asking about, by name ?
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        The quote is from Tim Minchin. I think the track name is Storm.

        It’s him talking to someone at a dinner party and he’s trying to bite his tongue when someone new starts talking stupidity, but it gets to a point where he breaks and goes off on a rent.

        It’s a very well written and entertaining bit.

        What what’s missing from the quote is something along the lines of “You know what they call alternate medicine that is proven to work? Medicine”

        The whole point of the quote is exactly what you are saying that some medicines legitimately started as alternative medicines

        Edit: i realize now it might not have been a quote at all regardless of how similar it is the that Tim Minchin bit

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          “Herbal medicine’s been around for thousands of years!” Indeed it has, and then we tested it all, and the stuff that worked became ‘medicine’. And the rest of it is just a nice bowl of soup and some potpourri.

          From Dara Ó Briain. Also from him:

          Chinese medicine, oh, Chinese medicine! “But there are billions of Chinese, Chinese medicine must be working.” Here’s the skinny on Chinese medicine. A hundred years ago the average life expectancy in China was 30. The life expectancy in China at the moment is 73. And it’s not feckin’ tiger penis that turned it around for the Chinese. Didn’t do much for the tiger, if you don’t mind me pointing out.

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          Yeah, I saw it after I’d posted.

          I need to be more specific in how I mean “alternative” here.

          What I mean is “not of the current scientific consensus” , which I realise isn’t exactly the same wording as the wikipedia definition

          Thats my bad.

          I also failed to mention that it also works the other way as well, where current science is discredited(fully or partially) , due to flaws in it’s methodology, reproducibility or some other reason.

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            I think there are actually very few interventions which were “not of the current scientific consensus” which later became accepted medical practice.

            Also I think in the current era there are practically no alternative therapies by that definition which will later become medical practice.

            A salient example might be ketamine therapy. It’s been a party drug since at least the 90s but in the last several years has become a government subsidised therapy for PTSD in Australia. That doesn’t mean kids at ravfes were doing the therapy in the 90s, because the manner in which the ketamine is administered is the key to the beneficial outcome.

            That said, I think the treatments a medical doctor can prescribe or even recommend are less than a third of the treatments or behaviors that can manage a chronic illness. What I mean is, if you have a chronic condition there’s (hopefully) medications that will help you manage it, but it’s the lifestyle changes that will influence your quality of life in the coming decades.

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              Yeah the only ones I can think of that used to be used the current medical way are cannabis for appetite and analgesia and psychadelics for ptsd and addiction. Both of these examples are obvious to anyone who’s used such substances.

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        There are however some medicines and treatments that legitimately started as “alternative”.

        What are those?

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          Aspirin.

          Was a tincture or tea of white willow used as a folk medicine for generations until it got studied and the compound in it isolated by Bayer

          Cocaine.

          Indigenous population would chew coca leaves as a stimulant for various reasons and someone figured found out about it, studied it, and found out how to isolate the active compound and now we have Cocaine

          Opiates

          Opium Poppy was used for centuries for a variety of uses, but mostly recreational in the form of opium, then it got studied and turned into some of the most effective painkillers we have. (Morphine, codeine, heroin are naturally derived opium compounds, some others are synthetic or a blend such as oxycodone, methadone, fentanyl, carfentanyl)

          Edit: white birch bark(I’m not 100% certain this is the right tree, but it was a tree, please correct me if I’m wrong) found the correction in another comment

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          I think it depends how you frame this question. For example, aspirin originated from a compound in willow bark. Currently, most of us aren’t chewing on willow bark to relieve pain, but at some point that (or making willow bark teas, etc.) was the case. Whether you consider that as “alternative” depends on what point in history you ask that question.

          Leeches, which are still used today, also come to mind. Modern medicine has greatly refined how they’re used, but that’s not how it started.

          There are quite a few things that people noticed produced effects but didn’t understand the mechanism. Science changed that.

          However, if you consider using things with known properties in a wildly irresponsible manner as the definition of “alternative medicine,” that’s a very different question.

          Even when novel therapies from existing medicine do come to light at times, generally this is through scientific observation and testing, not Cletus taking horse medicine.

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            Thank you.

            For example, aspirin originated from a compound in willow bark.

            At the time mainstream medicine was rejecting use of willow bark? Or why it’s considered alternative medicine?

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          Usually herbs found by ethnographers.

          Aspirin, for example, IIRC discovered by a scientist investigating traditional therapeutics (tree bark)

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            My pharma professors liked to say that if Aspirin was discovered today, it would never pass the bar for human trials, because after all these years the mechanism of action isn’t properly understood.

            That’s the best argument for alternative medicines that I’ve heard, and it’s also something to consider when we think about how insanely high the bar is for compounds that are approved as medicines.

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              because after all these years the mechanism of action isn’t properly understood.

              That wasn’t a blocker with antidepressants, for better or worse.

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                I wonder if thats because we know very little about how the brain actually works in regards to how the brain create thoughts. It’s so very much a mystery in many ways where thoughts are created

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              Most medications are poorly understood (at best!) lol, it’s trial and error all the way down.

              With some exceptions like the RNA messenger covid vaccine…

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                it’s trial and error all the way down

                Oh God LD50 is the craziest thing ever.

                Here’s how it works:

                Let’s just assume dose-response is linear. So, go find what concentration of chemical X (medicine, food additive, cosmetic, whatever) kills 50% of the bacteria/rodent/etc population. Draw a line from there down to 0% dead at 0 concentration.

                Now decide what % of deaths is acceptable, given the benefit of chemical X. Use the line we just drew and that tells you what the regulations should set for max concentration under as-directed usage.

                This ignores facts like

                • response curves are very often literally curves, sometimes with more than 1 minimum
                • response curves (and lines!) often depend heavily on all sorts of other chemicals’ presence in the environment, in varying mixtures & amounts

                It’s a combinatorial explosion we can never meaningfully test against. We do what we can, with the tools that we have.

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          I was also going to use aspirin as an example, there is also psychedelics as a treatment for various psychological ailments.

          I’m also going to post a response i made to a comment further up.


          I need to be more specific in how I mean “alternative” here.

          What I mean is “not of the current scientific consensus” , which I realise isn’t exactly the same wording as the wikipedia definition

          Thats my bad.

          I also failed to mention that it also works the other way as well, where current science is discredited(fully or partially) , due to flaws in it’s methodology, reproducibility or some other reason.


          In generalities i was thinking more of how certain branches or offshoots of what was considered to be mainstream ( or mainstream adjacent ) science were later found to be scientifically provable.

          An example of this is microbes.

          They were posited over the years in varied forms by multiple independent people, but they weren’t really fully accepted until the invention of a way of actually observing them.

          This is largely what medicine was prior to the current , formal scientific method. Local “medicine people” would have salves, cures, potions and other such concoctions passed down to apprentices, they might have some knowledge of how it works, but most of that knowledge would be in the practical application and treatment using said concoctions.

          That’s not to dismiss this practice, the years of experience and experimentation (of a kind) was, in some cases, essentially a precursor to modern scientific method.

          There are ways of analysing effects and positing theories without fully understanding how the underlying mechanism works.

          Sometimes that leads to legitimate data around the effects of a medicine or treatment being dismissed as “alternative”, at least until formal experimentation is done and verified

          As i said in another reply, I’m not saying it’s common, all i was saying was that it’s a possibility.

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            I think it’s safe to say nowadays we can rely on scientific method to find new cures, and completely abandon “alternative” medicine.

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              that’s the exact opposite of what i was saying.

              Nowadays we can potentially evaluate what is considered “alternative” for actual benefit, and if benefit is found then elevate it to actual medical science.

              Formal science isn’t the only source of potential hypotheses.

              If it’s not considered beneficial we can discard (for now), perhaps a fresh look later when our tooling and understanding has improved.

              That way we can try to gain benefit where possible, and definitively ( for the current level of technology and resource ) suggest people kindly not overdose on de-wormer because we’ve scientifically determined it’s stupid and potentially lethal.

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                Formal science isn’t the only source of potential hypotheses.

                It’s hard to believe that, considering all low hanging fruits were picked already and now new hypotheses are obtained through hard work of teams of scientists.

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                  All low hanging fruits we know of.

                  This is one of those unknown unknown situations where there are things were don’t even know to be looking for.

                  Like microbes, yes we posited something like them, but the full implications the confirmation weren’t understood until after.

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        The issue is that alternative forms of medicine are most often studied scientifically and either found to work (upgraded to medicine) but more often than not it is found to have no greater effect than placebo or random chance, but these alternatives continue to be practiced, meaning people end up getting ineffective care, and their money is funneled into an industry incentivised to discredit and spread distrust towards real proven medicine

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          Agreed,

          I was positing the possibility of a move from “alternative” to “scientifically recognised”, not that it was likely to happen.

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        Well said. A balanced viewpoint that doesn’t try to be all black and white. Even the stupidest bullshit can sometimes contain a kernel of truth. That doesn’t mean the 99% bullshit isn’t any less shit.

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      To be fair this is actually medicine they are taking. Not sure why you would take it recreationally though.

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        Ivermectin is medication for horses. It is considered “alternative medicine“ for humans to consume it. stupid people learn about this garbage on the Internet, not from doctors. Well, not from doctors who are trained to treat humans, anyway.

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          That’s a bunch of bull. It’s not just horse (or bull) medicine.

          Ivermectin is generally used as a anti-parasitic medication for all animals including humans. In some parts of the world it’s regularly taken to help protect against parasites. As such it’s one of the most important drugs out there, and is on the WHO list of essential medicines.

          This guy sounds like he took drugs he bought from a scammer. Maybe it was an overdose, or maybe he took something else.

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            And to use it for treating Covid (or whatever bizarre “ailment” he’s using it for here) is “alternative medicine”, so stop defending it as a valid treatment. That’s simply ridiculous.

            Especially because you even admit that this idiot obviously bought drugs from a scammer (and is obviously suffering the consequential side effects of improper use/dosages), not from valid prescriptions from a licensed medical professional.

            Be reasonable instead of getting all high and mighty and try to pwn me over some absurd esoteric technicality.

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              …but you repeating the “It’s horse medicine” trope is just as much disinformation as the “it’s a COVID treatment” people. You don’t know. You’re just repeating shit you heard because it aligned with your politics.

              If somebody has been prescribed it, they should be taking it. Not worrying about why their doctor has given them “horse medicine” and refusing it. …and it’s an extremely common prescription.

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                …but you repeating the “It’s horse medicine” trope is just as much disinformation as the “it’s a COVID treatment”

                lol, to anyone with even a cursory understanding of the subject (not to mention even a single brain cell), this “both sides are the same” argument is as preposterous as your defending your position in the first place.

                I have better things to do than to validate your argument by entertaining it further.

                I’m just gonna block you now. Scream into the void if it makes you feel better. I learned long ago that it is a waste of time and effort to try to reason with the unreasonable. One cannot reason a person out of a position they did not reason themselves into. I’m gonna stick with doctors and science, and you can argue grammatical technicalities all you like without me. Best of luck with that.

                I’m out.

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          Ahh, had heard it was an anti parasite thing but wasn’t aware it was specifically for horses.

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            It’s not specifically for horses, it’s just commonly used enough that it’s easy to source horse formulations. When the nutjobs couldn’t get the regular stuff from doctors, they sometimes bought horse paste.

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              It’s the main ingredient in your dog’s heartworm prevention medication as well. I’m no doctor, I’m sure there’s some human application of the drug, but I’ve always seen it in a veterinary context.

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                  In rare instances, it can also be used on humans, but only in rare instances when all other human anti parasitics have failed

                  Again, rarely

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      It’s not alternative medicine though? It’s like regular medicine but instead of it being prescribed he just thought he’d ingest some based on his own whims.

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        You misunderstand

        I’m speaking of “medicine”, as in the practice thereof. You’re thinking of “medication“. That’s not what I’m talking about.

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    I’ve actually met a lot of people who know a lot about what happened to him. Theres an entire industry and field of academics dedicated solely to it and places of business in pretty much every town across the nation for it.

    They’re called Doctors.

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      WOAH WOAH WOAH careful with those emotions, buddy, they asked for objective understanding! Don’t you know that means rejecting the expertise of the people who spent their entire lives studying the human body and what ails it; and believing unquestioningly the medical advice of the Oompa Loompa rapist pedophile in chief (and his pal with brain worms)?

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        Okay Sir please calm down, we all know we can’t trust those “Doctors” and their “Medical Degrees”. It’s just hokus pokus, it’s not like there’s been decades upon decades of scientific testing and proving! You probably believe we landed on the moon too HAH! Space ain’t even real, like how would they even breath if there’s no air? #checkmate

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    $500 bottle of ivermectin!?!?!

    Somehow, that’s the worst part of this to me – somebody got hugely ripped off. I regularly need to buy ivermectin for actual horses, and it’s $10-$15 for a horse-sized dose. And this dumb motherfucker spent $500 on a single bottle?

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      I know 4 people, who use the horse version. Because they raise cattle they can get it and they use it for themselves. One of them used to help his cancer treatment.

      1. That’s 4 to many.

      2. So you actually want to die

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        I’m surprised you KNOW four people rather than very specifically KNEW, past tense, four people…

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        Because they raise cattle they can get it

        Anybody can get it.

        Walk into a Tractor Supply, North 40, or any animal feed/supply store, and you can pick some up right off the shelf.

        For a while there, curing covid mania, cashiers were actually asking people for a picture of their livestock before they’d sell it to you, but even then you could have just shown them any picture of any horse and that would have been enough.

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      The text on this post is fabricated, and the image in unrelated to the fabricated story. >.>

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      This guy is taking medical advice from conspiracy theorists for COVID. he ODed on dewormer meds and is posting from.the inside of the ambulance

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        Because obviously deworming meds will take care of symptoms that are linked to the lung/throat/breathing area (don’t know the medical term for the area)

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          AFAIK there was a correlation in some countries between COVID outcome and deworming meds. In those countries people actually had worms, which weakened the immune system, so taking deworming meds in the end helped with COVID by removing the worms. Obviously it doesn’t do shit if you don’t have worms.

          lung/throat/breathing area (don’t know the medical term for the area)

          The term you’re looking for is respiratory system, although COVID wasn’t just a respiratory disease.

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          Yeah this is kind of an US insider post.

          Edit: I’m having a bad day so I am elaborating: oftentimes they reeeeeally don’t consider there’s literally a world out there and the internet is connected to that world and some information can be totally confusing because it’s so US centric.

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          It’s a private company in the “health and wellness” industry. Basically modern day snake oil salesmen that convince vulnerable (or stupid) people that “big pharma” is evil and giving you cancer or whatever, while the mystery pill they’re peddling will cure anything that ails you. It typically comes with a hefty price tag, lots of sales pressure, and zero evidence to back it up.

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          It’s purposefully worded that way to be misleading, even to native speakers. Explicitly calling something medicine or a cure means it would have to be tested and regulated. However, labeling something as being for wellness isn’t covered by that, and is just vague enough to have people think positively about it. That’s not saying that there aren’t beneficial things labeled under wellness; roughly speaking though, it’s can be used to sell whatever you want, while making people assume it’s actively good for them.

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        I’m guessing the paramedics called him a fucking idiot and he didn’t like that so he wants someone to tell him how close he was to the truth so he can go right back to dosin up on dewormer and cat shit.

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      From Google AI:

      "Ivermectin and mebendazole are both antiparasitic medications. While used for treating worms, combining high doses, such as those often discussed in off-label contexts, is controversial and frequently marketed without clinical backing.

      "Standard antiparasitic regimens are dosed by weight or specific infection type, often as single or short-term oral doses. The FDA-approved dosages for these drugs are established to treat specific parasitic infections.

      “High-dose combinations of ivermectin and mebendazole, sometimes compounded by specialty pharmacies, have surfaced online as an unproven, off-label regimen, including claims regarding cancer therapy. Medical and oncology associations strongly advise against using these antiparasitic drugs as a cancer treatment, as there is no established clinical evidence of their safety or effectiveness for this purpose.”

      – In the UK Ivermectin is only prescribed at 3mg and Mebendazole at 100mg, implying that this is a ridiculous dosage, even if one does have worms.

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    Depending on his weight that could be quite a high dose of ivermectin (the normal dose is 0.2mg/kg) but that seems like an extreme reaction.

    I see four possibilities:

    • He’s very light weight and sensitive to the drug
    • He’s having an allergic reaction
    • He actually did have a parasite infection and he’s having a Mazzotti reaction.
    • The company that sold it didn’t mix the drugs properly before compounding them and overdosed the pills.
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        mebendezol

        Never heard of it so probably not a great recreational drug. Oooh Wikipedia confirms

        Mebendazole is a highly effective, broad-spectrum antihelmintic indicated for the treatment of nematode infestations

        Mebendazole sometimes causes diarrhea, abdominal pain, and elevated liver enzymes. In rare cases, it has been associated with a dangerously low white blood cell count, low platelet count, and hair loss,[14][15] with a risk of agranulocytosis in rare cases.