Early last week, I was at the Theodore Roosevelt Presidential Library for its first weekend. At the library itself, despite President Donald Trump inserting himself incongruously into the opening ceremonies, I did not see a single person sporting a Trump-branded clothing item.
The town of Medora, North Dakota, itself was, however, a different story. It wasn’t overwhelming. But for someone who lives in an urban center of a blue state, where even in the ruby red rural areas most people have become sufficiently shamed to shut up about their MAGA tendencies, a single errant MAGA cap is a rarity.
It’s too bad mass discontent has no influence on the actions of our government.
To be fair, a non zero number of MAGA voters despise anything they are told to despise. So they are just getting back what they deliver on cue from the media they digest.
Not just Trump supporters. Republicans, Christians, Lying Centrists.
If FOX or The Donald doesn’t tell them they’re despised, how would they ever know? They are not reading Jezebel.
Well, there is their family members who either ignore them or make fun of them behind their backs.
Out of 266 voters, three downvoted. I’m curious who that 1.13% were here on Lemmy. They’re clearly out of their comfort zone.
They are clueless. Protesting we will get overwhelmingly massive honks and waves and thumbs up and other signs of approval and then once or twice amidst it you get the maga yelling loser or fuck you. Its like are they congniscant of how overwhelmingly in the minority they are. Does all the adulation happening in the midst of their vitriole make its way into their senses at all.
I wish someone named this effect. Maybe it is some variation the Overton Window overlaid with Dunning-Kreuger. But whatever it is it is pervasive. There are so many people I know that once you get them talking about it they absolutely are anti fascist, anti-Trump, anti-Republican. But they’re not vocal. I think decent people are not vocal in general. They rightly feel that it is just common sense to work toward a society that has equity and treats people fairly and the idea that it takes work to maintain that is inconceivable. Like these fascist fuckers will figure it out if you give them enough time. Maybe that’s just the way human civilization works… It has to get really bad for the majority of people before ordinary decent folks are forced into action. Maybe one more voting cycle will fix things, so just wait for the next election.
Maybe that’s just the way human civilization works… It has to get really bad for the majority of people before ordinary decent folks are forced into action.
I agree, and I think that’s why Project2025 is a thing, and why they’re slow-walking the destruction of everything. They’re avoiding to, as Admiral Yamamoto once said, “awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.” I think our society still has this kind of backbone and character, but only under sudden and extreme conditions.
I don’t see america surviving if there is not a monumental shift in the next election.
Their entire world is built around being the ‘righteous asshole’.
In my town they would plaster their trucks with stickers, fly Trump and Confederate flags, then drive around blocking traffic and saying “Fuck You!” to the rest of the world. One good thing about Trump’s $6 gas is it has them doing a lot less driving around lately.
Last year we hosted a holiday dinner and included a neighborhood couple we had never met. Within minutes it became apparent we had invited a Magat POS. He actually exceeded expectations, bringing up Trump time and again and ignoring the fact we kept changing the subject. It took one of us openly ridiculing Trump to get him to finally shut the fuck up. It was only because we didn’t want to make other people there uncomfortable that he wasn’t out the door on his ass.
His wife (not Maga) has since approached us asking to get together and we’ve politely declined. No need to tell her we’d rather have triple servings of Taco Bell lettuce during a root canal than to ever spend a minute in her husband’s miserable presence again.
I think you should tell her. Explicitly. Be very detailed about your feelings. Ignoring these things will not help.
Day old, wilted taco bell lettuce, root canal done by a jackhammer operate with no anesthetic or pain killers.
Detailed.
Lmao taco bell lettuce. I do not support the women who support those men. Idc if they say they are different than him.
His wife (not Maga) has since approached us asking to get togethe
threesome material but prob not worth it lol
That’s how you get shot by someone “protecting his property.”
Tonight on “Gunplay Gone Wrong”
Reminded me of this
I think the ghost of David Bowe and Ed Begley Jr’s love-child shot that home invader!
cue banjo solo
So you let people be uncomfortable by letting him stay?
YATA.
Thanks for reminding all of us that there are much bigger assholes around than Trump supporters. You I would have thrown out and the crowd would have cheered.
LOL! - Just looked at your comment history. Did you crawl out of a sewer to share your stink with Lemmy?
Nah, sounds like they found an appropriate middle way by signalling that that kind of talk was not welcome there. Ejecting their guest would likely have been riskier and would have been an escalation from there.
I wish every single one of them the day they deserve.
The life they deserve.
I wish them a socialist mayor, congressman, senator, or president, because actually seeing the benefits of it for themselves is what’s going to create lasting change, not conservatism or
centrismcompassionate conservatism.Which, given their (fast dying) hegemony, can extend across the world.
They piss us off with their selfishness and lack of responsibility, but we want the good for them, not the bad.
I wouldn’t expect them to.
The social media algorithms they’re addicted to have effectively reconstructed their reality. If nothing else, they’re a walking demonstration as to why punishing and regulating social media companies is a moral and global imperative.
I watched my MIL turn around. The family is split on the topic, but the more the problems compound the less sure the MAGA supporters are becoming of their decisions.
My parents would rather support this fascist piece of shit than have a relationship with their adult son. So that fucking sucks.
My in-laws too. I’m sorry 😞
It does. My wife realized that she has outgrown her family. She can’t detach herself from her family, and I think that the aggressive way they hold on to each other fixes a lot of issues.
My own mother doesn’t understand and has an excuse for everything. We were already distancing ourselves 10 years before MAGA, so it doesn’t hurt so much. Watching her say that you MUST BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND LISTEN TO THE PRESIDENT after four years of watching her trash talk Biden is a trip. I didn’t particularly care to stand between her and whatever she had to say then, but the hypocritical irony is right there.
I wish mine would. I love her as a person, but she’s so headstrong about it. She’s hitched all these elements of her personality to it (faith, hobbies, community outside family, decorations). I feel like we’d need some sort of reverse Jan 6, like an event that’s so apparent & bad, not fakeable, but I cannot see anything sticking to Teflon right now.
Rubio & Miller’s recent comments suggest a deeper fracturing coming across America. It’s hard not to believe the worst is coming.
It’s bits and pieces at a time. She was a single issue voter. We would talk through points with her and she would think about them and agree.
It helped that she is actually super liberal.
What was.the single issue?
Everybody else’s abortion
Damn, that’s bingo.
We just say “bingo.”
Sometimes you can express emotion by using words.
In this case they were right but I still felt called out.
Not sure how much Americans are aware they are despised as a collective about electing this twice, doing fuckall about it, blaming everything and everyone else and now pushing it onto the rest of us.
Doing fuck all about it? The people doing something about it you won’t hear about.
You won’t hear about any local resistance in another country. You won’t hear about any local organization in another country. Hell even if someone was planning another assassination attempt, you wouldn’t be hearing about it unless they were really stupid.
The thing that has been most shocking to me about this entire thing is how much foreigners have sided with Trump over the American people. Blaming Americans for Trump completely, even while knowing he is a dictator who ignores the wishes of his own people, and then inviting Trump to their countries to shake hands and make deals. Unbelievable.
I’ve seen foreign nationals say that we “deserve” to be raided by ICE for “voting for” Trump… the dictator who ignores the popular vote. They’re on Trump’s side, they want the same things he wants, they just want to feel morally superior.
the people doing something about it you won’t hear about
We’ll hear about it if it’s a complete peaceful shutdown. You’re wrong about protests too, we see news on those quite often.
you won’t hear…
Yeah we do, we do all the time. They actually do it properly though.
Hey, guess what, people have been trying to organize a peaceful shut down but that’s hard to do for a country about the size of a continent, and when people are already working three jobs to have enough money to survive and worried they will be homeless if they take a day off.
And no, sorry, you don’t hear about everything people are doing, because a lot of those changes happen locally. You hear about the new mayor of New York, but you don’t hear about a new progressive DEI program in a smaller town in Alabama. You don’t hear about a local neighborhood ice watch in Minnesota. You don’t hear about a petition going around in Ohio to reform voting on a local level.
You don’t hear about people starting phone trees, ride shares, food banks. Hell even people in the area might not know about them.
So sorry that what people are doing isn’t sensationalist enough to make international headlines, but it’s the sand in the gears and the level people on the ground level can actually do.
Also if you think your country’s media doesn’t have bias, then you’re ripe for indoctrination and propaganda.
You’re a total moron and there is no point explaining anything to you or arguing with you, but I’m confident that you’d tell victims of the Holocaust that they deserved it, because that’s pretty much what you’re doing now. Except unlike in Germany, the majority of the country’s population is on the list to die, rather than a relatively small group of people. The majority of Americans share characteristics that the regime wants to eliminate, and the number of hated traits are numerous, not tied only to race or religion.
You’re a total moron
It’s okay, I understand. You’re lashing out.
Im confident you’d tell…
And you’re calling me a moron.
If you get another fair chance, just get out and vote, in both the primary and the main election. Beyond that I don’t care and I don’t care what you think of me, just get out and do it regardless who the candidate ends up being, and get your friends and family to do the same. Help anyone who can’t.
Do you genuinely believe “get out and vote” is a viable solution in the US, or is this ragebait?
Again, this is really really for real fascism, not like the kind on TV or in fiction. This is real life.
Do you know what the Electoral College is and why it exists?
Do you genuinely believe
Yes. The evidence suggests it’s true. So, yes.
Do you know…
Yes, and it didn’t stop Biden or Clinton being elected when they got enough votes did it? Yes I know what it is and I know it’s a problem. Unfortunately for the w3 cAnTd0 aNaThAng argument, it has put Democrats in as well.
Honestly, only Americans get away with this ay…continuing to make disproven arguments valid. Anyone else tried this, it’d be out of line.
… no they were not elected because of votes. I’m sure that the media made a big deal about the votes. It doesn’t actually matter, they could have just picked someone else. Democrats are the same as Republicans in terms of impact on real people. The only difference is the PR. Obama did the whole prison camp for immigrants thing too.
w3 cAnTd0 aNaThAng
I didn’t say we can’t do anything.
People are getting in ICE’s face and filming their crimes at risk to ther lives for people they’ve never met.
Good. They need to.
Peaceful shutdown from at least 60% of the population in the metro areas would be better.
When stuff like this happens, which it occasionally does, you’re not going to know about it, because you do not live here. Our press is not going to report it, because we live under real fascism, not pretend fascism from TV.
Again, not exactly true. I’ve seen some good protests. I saw ICE shoot people.
So someone’s producing news. Not that it matters, we can’t change it, only US citizens can.
Well, no, actually, we probably can’t. Hitler fell because of the Allied Forces, not because Jews and Poles banded together to beat him up.
The thing with Hitler is that there’s a template to learn from.
Hitler should have been dealt with a lot earlier than what he was. Hitler also governed a very different population and situation at the time. America isn’t where it is because it was held hostage by taxing war agreements and governed by oppressive outside influence…it’s a bunch of over indulgent and privileged arseholes being exploited.
The Germans didn’t know what was coming really. American do, and not only that they gave it a trial run.
The only similarities are the political ideology, not the countries themselves. Americans can still stop this if they want.
Trump won because the Electoral College thought a “strong Republican President” was “what the country needed.” There is absolutely nothing I or anyone in my social class could have done to influence this decision.
The difference between the Third Reich and America is that Germans had some small influence over who they elected in the form of votes that were actually counted.
No, Americans in general cannot decide who the president is. Our presidential elections are theater and have been since slavery was abolished.
You’re gonna keep inviting Trump into your country, he’s gonna keep shaking hands with your leaders, and even if he kills all of us American citizens all at once in a state-sponsored massacre and you hear about it on the news, your country will not impose sanctions, and you’ll see your leader shaking hands with him on television the following month.
Yep, here we go, my country’s equally complicit. I knew this one would come up, too.
Just because we signed a treaty and have to be diplomatic to our allies doesn’t put us in any way at fault here, and it’s not our job to fix your problem. Especially after you spent years telling us to mind our own business.
Fuck you lot are pathetic. Blame every thing else except themselves…now we are to blame because we won’t sanction your government
Stop expecting others to do your job.
So when your country’s government is complicit, it’s not your or the citizens’ fault, but when it is someone else’s country every citizen is complicit and deserves it.
Trump is an American problem, brought to America by Americans lack of voting.
Nowhere, Australia is not complicit in electing Trump and it isn’t our job to help remove him. Nor is it any other countries job. It’s yours.
Nowhere in that did our government have a hand. Murdoch certainly did, but he’s now an American citizen and went there for a reason.
We aren’t complicit in electing Trump. Yes, our leaders are still going to be diplomatic to an ally. Like every other country.
Only an American, with their extreme lack of responsibility, could hold other countries complicit in their electing Trump.
The hide of you people man. Seriously.
The balls to say one of the guys who helped make this situation happen then to say that it’s doesn’t count. If only you and your government could use those balls to do more than be a diplomatic doormat.
The wealthy elite taking over everything, abusing people, exploiting workers and the planet, these are global problems, not just American ones. A lot of the rich people live and operate outside of the US but it’s folly to think their influence is only in the US.
You’ve bought things from American companies, consumed American media, and poured your own money into their pockets.
Trump is the result of all of this. It’s the rich trying to take over our country in earnest, out in front instead of in back rooms.
And I can guarantee you, personally, played a small part in enabling it.
I also know that this conservative wave, because of Trump, has been hitting Europe and Australia. So pretending it’s not your problem is also folly.
No one is asking you to fix this for us. People are doing what they can with this takeover to stop it.
But don’t pretend you’re not in a global market and that the US isn’t tied in with Australia, and don’t pretend you’ve not given money to the people backing Trump in your own way.
who helped
He went there because the ground was fertile, as Musk and Ham did. The sit was there to begin, they just exploited it. They’re Americans through and through.
global problems
This one, electing Trump, then its effects across the world, are American.
you’ve bought things…
Yes, so what? That’s international trade.
Trump is the result of all this
So blaming everything else again. Of course.
I can guarantee
No I didn’t, stop spreading your problem on to others.
the conservative wave, because of Trump
Yeah and we didn’t ask for it. Americans brought it to us. We’ve always had conservatives and wingnuts but not this shit. Worse, we never got a say in that, you just elected it then decided we get it too.
No one is asking you to fix this for us
Yeah, they are. I had someone, might have even been you, yesterday tell me it’s on our PM and others to sanction the US. I constantly see Americans saying that other nations need to step in, do something. Americans everywhere expecting the welcome mat rolled out for running from a vote result. Fuckin oath they’re looking to distribute the responsibility out to others.
but don’t pretend
I’m not ptendng anything, I’m telling you the US caused it by not turning out to vote and that this is a US responsibility to fix. As for money I give that might be out of my control once it’s gone, there isn’t a lot in this globalised world I can do about that.Mor is there a lot I can do to avoid American market economy influence. Which could have helped enable a decent president if you wankers got out and voted.
I didn’t tell you to do anything. I don’t know you.
But yeah you shouldn’t be cowtowing to a dictator and then blaming his victims. You are not going to experience ICE raids.
I am telling you now, for the first time, because this is the first time we’ve ever spoken, to stop blaming the victims of fascism for their own oppression. He’s a dictator. It doesn’t matter how hard we vote.
I didn’t tell you
I meant the collective of them telling everyone who told them to get out and vote in 2016 and prior to mind their own business and it’s Americans right not to vote
…what?
Some of us are quite aware.
Gonna get down voted to shit for this, but that’s a crap article. It’s just one guys saying “I hate MAGA, and would happily watch them drown”. Since he never talks to them, the title is completely unsupported. A better article would have at least looked for some evidence, e.g. via some interviews or surveys or something.
Yeah, when the author made it a point to fat shame the MAGA on a boat it was about enough.
I’m cool with bullying MAGAs. They’re the only acceptable bullying target, and should be mercilessly tormented as much as possible.
Also Anti-vaxxers. They’re just as virtuosically stupid, and worthy of persecution.
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Regrettably not the case in my area of Florida. Of course, Florida has a tendency to hang on to its crazy.
This whole Maga thing with Trump has made me start hating white people. And I’m white! It’s just so pathetic and embarrassing
Turning racist to own the racists seems like a bizarre road to go down.
Christians. That’s the problem demographic. I’ve met/worked with plenty of racist, hateful, fascist, xenophobic people of all sorts of ethnicities - but they were all one variety of Christian or another.
The bigoted MAGAt who has done the most to make my life miserable is an atheist. 🤷
You should hate a person not a people.
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