https://m.youtube.com/shorts/0BNRZCnU5eM
“Excuse me. Can I get a cup of coffee, black?”
“Can’t you see we talkin’, white‽”
Comes off racist if youre scared to use the word black for describing the color of a thing to someone who is black. Black isnt a bad word but you’re thinking of its negative connotations applied to people by racists.
Calling a black object “black” = Does not offend.
Calling your car’s late ignition timing “retarded” = Does not offend.
Calling your dog a “bitch” = Does not offend.
Calling your rooster a “cock” = does not offend.
Calling a tied bundle of sticks for burning a “removed” = Does not offend.
Just follow your friendly dictionary and you’ll be fine.
Also: Hi mods. You’re probably here because of your word filter.
Edit: Something replaced “f-a-g-g-o-t” with “removed” automatically. I’m going to leave it because it’s hilarious that bundled sticks are forbidden.
He’s right. Individually, we are weak like a single twig.
That’s literally fascist propaganda. Fasces is Latin for a bundle of sticks and that was the image of strength that Italian fascists were trying to evoke.
Actually, it’s literally a Simpsons joke making reference to the propaganda, and the punchline is that he doesn’t say fasces. He says something else.
Good context 👍
Oh, so there is an automated censoring system in place. I thought people were saying removed en lieu of re-tard on
Lemmyon whichever instance I was visiting. Kind of like how people use unalive.Removed is way worse, though. It’s practically advocating eugenics.
I don’t think it’s Lemmy. I think it’s per-instance. Lemmy.world is not a great or open place. They’re very close to Reddit, with way too much control over Lemmy where it’s almost synonymous. Take this as a warning if you’re creating a community or new account to spread things out.
Same for .ml instances, too
.ml doesn’t influence Lemmy much. Lemmy.world is the largest instance by far, and they leverage that control to force things on the larger Lemmy community. ml has issues, but at least they don’t force things on anyone else. The lead developer of Lemmy is there, so they could, but they don’t.
Anyway, the point is that Lemmy is only as safe as it is diversified. People should be joining smaller instances, and communities created on other instances, rather than just going to the largest one.
Lemmy.ml is the flagship instance created by the Lemmy developers. I wouldn’t say they don’t influence that much.
And Lemmygrad.ml… Well, they’re their slaves.
Yeah, like I said, they could, but they really don’t. How often do you see posts from that instance in your feed? They influence each other, but it doesn’t spread far beyond that.
Ah, I see. Thanks!
Mods need to turn that shit off. Computers should never tell a human what to say.
Its basically never used in a legitimate way unless youre a british smoker or something, and even then you are likely aware of the slur.
Kindling or whatever the other word im blanking on is would likely be more appropriate
“Hey can you grab me that F____?” Would mentally auto correct to “Hey, can you grab me that, F_____?” In my brain
Yeah, in the UK you might bum a fag. Which, now that I write it out, can mean something very different.
Fuck off. Writing about how and why faggot is a slur is a legitimate use. Informing who used the term faggot in a degenerative way is a legitimate way to use it. Writing about the history of the word faggot also is.
Censorship sucks.
Automated Censorship is stupid and dangerous.
If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word “goal” as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say “I have goals” or “omg, we’re goals” (“we’re goals” as “we’re matching”)?
If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they’ll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves. That’s a way of letting them controlling language.
I cant think of a single conversation that would be improved with a hard-R or the above mentioned work being spelled out vs referenced. Slurs are one of those “we have freedom of speech but please never say that ever again” type things. Perhaps autocensorship is a bit over the line, but we should be intolerant to intolerance.
English isn’t my native language. Hard-R is that retard?
I fear that refusing to use those words even in a educational sense is rewriting history a bit.
It’s weird how americans who been all over the Internet claiming germany has no free speech because gloryfication of the Nazis is forbidden.
Yet it was always fine to write that heil hitler was a common greeting of people who brutally murdered millions.
While writing that fuckwit racists used the term nigger to put themselves over other humans is now frowned upon
Its the N-slur, used primarily by american slave owners to demean their victims.
I like to think of slurs as one of those, “we have freedom of speech but also you are not free from consequences for what you say,” sorta things. So, yeah, go ahead and say it if you want to, but don’t be a bitch about it if people tell you to fuck off or call you a Nazi.
Realistically, what recourse other than forced censorship or banning is there
My experience as a user is vastly improved by not seeing slurs.
It’s not that I just want to use slurs. I’m… um… principled! That’s the ticket! Stopping me from saying slurs is a moral hazard. What if I were a historian and this were a conversation about the history of the slur?? It’s not… but if I can construct a pretext then… uh… stop woke! DEI!
Don’t you understand there are categories of inferior people, and we need to be vile to them???
It’s also the name of a meat dish in the UK. Sort of like meatballs in gravy. Although it’s rarely used in the singular. Wonder if the link get censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
Mmm, now I want to have some faggots for dinner.
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Did it happen instantly, or was it a redacted action?
I noticed within seconds of posting it.
It was a joke about it was a reyarded action
Reminds me of The Office joke where Michael asks Oscar what his ethnicity is and Oscar says “Mexican” and Michael says “There’s gotta be a better word to use than that”.
Also the bit in 30 Rock.
“It’s not because you’re a… uh, what do you call yourself?”
“A Puerto Rican.”
“No, I know you can say that, but what do I call you?”
“A Puerto Rican.”
“Wow… that does not sound right.”
I think the crack about Spanish is because the Spanish word for “black” is “negro.” But it is also not pronounced the same way as racist southerners say it. Spanish uses a short E, where as rednecks insist on saying it “neeegro,” perhaps in the hopes that it’ll make them taller. So don’t do that.
The peanut gallery will win no points for guessing that the origin of the n-word is a mutation and/or corruption of “negro” and its various permutations in the other Romance languages that white people were all dragging with them across the Atlantic, all of which are just the words for the color black. For instance, in Latin it’s the even closer “niger,” single G.
So decades ago I worked at a bike shop and some college students came in. One of them was black, everyone else in the shop was white. She sat down on a bike, that was all black with dark grey lettering. And I said “this bike looks great, I love the black on black look.” Everyone looked at me funny, she immediately got off the bike, and i literally died inside and froze up.
20 years later and i still think about this.
Also I should note that it was not the first time I used that phrase for that bike - when you work sales you end up with little automatic narratives that you barely think about.
Saying anyone is black is never racist.
Ehhh, context and tone can go a long way.
In a neutral context, absolutely. I’ve heard people use saying it as an attack in some vile ways.
I agree, but also black for coffee isn’t just describing the color. It’s describing the character. Sugar doesn’t change the color, but that isn’t black coffee. Black for coffee is a label/category, not a description.
It’s still stupid to be scared to call it black, just as it’s stupid to be scared of calling black people black. It’s a common term that everyone understands, and it isn’t an insult.
The implication I got from the comic imo is that the person is going to ridiculous lengths to appear anti-racist
I don’t know about the specific scenario in the comic, but it seems understandable to be afraid of being perceived as racist just because of how much of a touchy subject it is, if you aren’t able to be confident in knowing how what you say will be interpreted.
To me it’s hard to see this comic without thinking we’re supposed to laugh at the ridiculousness of the person in it and not as much sympathize with his position
I honestly think the intent is both. It’s funny because we can recognize it’s a bit ridiculous, and still see ourselves in that position
That’s exactly the problem. Anything can be touchy or sensible for at least one person. You don’t know what will trigger someone. That kind lf overcorrectionism is hazardous as it might cause everyone to freeze and be unable to say virtually anithing out of fear of touching anyone else’s sensibility.
I think freedom of speech should only be limited in the case of immediate and/or evident danger, but not just by mere feelings or sensibilities.
Now I’m thinking of the politician who was offended by black holes.
There is a long tradition of “black” being used to describe evil things, which may or may not be related to racism. I think being conscious of this can be useful, but black means a lack of light, and a black hole is something that light can’t escape from. It’s a perfect term for that.
Yeah lots of repressed racism with whoever does these shitty strips.
First time i saw the comic i thought it was someone embarassed of asking a black coffee 😭
Give me a coffee, as black as your skin, my good man!
Ew no, if I order a black coffee, I’d want my coffee blacker than most black people. Most black people are still brown if we have to talk about literal skin color.
“I want a South Sudan, and by friend here would like a Brazillian blend.”
Once met a dude from Brazil who was the same shade of black as basic electronic stuff. Dude was fucking dark.
Onyx the true opposite of albanism
Was in an anti-racist training event for work and the man running the meeting told us a story about this time his white friend’s son referred to him as “Black” and the white dad gets all embarrassed. He scolds his son and then apologizes to his friend. Dude just goes, “it’s okay. I know I’m Black. There’s no need to try and hide it.”
Or you can call it as we Colombians call it, tinto.
Y’all are strange to see “black” as referring to people first. Everyone in the world has a word for that colour (non-colour) hair and the night sky, and all baristas know what black coffee means.
If saying “black” makes you uncomfortable, maybe get a checkup.
Race is very nuanced - it’s not bla- er, a very dark color and a much lighter color.
Are you saying it’s non-binary? Are you trying to turn me gay?
There are two wolves inside you — one is black, the other is gay. They are both non-binary.
In Spanish you’d just order a “cafe solo”
Best I can do is a Han job
Sir this is a Starbucks, you need to pay first.
Espresso shot first
Welcome to Costco, I love you
Depends on where from cause I’ve only heard “café negro”
Yea, I’m not surprised, quite a lot of things have different names across Spanish speaking countries.
Nah, most places it’s called “café negro”, and it’s fine. “Negro” refers to the color, and there’s nothing intrinsically racist about that word.
If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word “goal” as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say “I have goals” or “omg, we’re goals” (“we’re goals” as “we’re matching”)? If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they’ll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves.
I’ve always heard americano, but I don’t drink coffee
That’s a method of preparing. It means make an espresso shot and add water. Which is different than “normal” coffee where you pour all the hot water through the grounds at once.
never noticed what an americano was, its just diluted espresso.
The story goes that American troops in Europe in WWII didn’t like the concentrated bitterness of espresso so they added water to make it closer to drip coffee, and it’s named after them.
Now I’m offended.
It’s the weak coffee, so you can.
Coffee…neat.
Frapachino. On the rocks.
Large, black, and hot. Extra sugar.
I take it noir.
With sadness, rain, and a grey city mired in mysteries?
Some dude in the distance playing a trumpet solo
… until she walked in. Then things got interesting.
Your comment is the reason I had to go make another cup
… Why would you say that(referring to the title). Just makes people use derogatory language in their head for the lulz.
is saying black in Spanish derogatory language?
No. But implying it is bad to say it clearly does refer to calling black people n*s. At least in competent english speakers.
…no shit. It’s a joke about being hyper aware of offensive language just like you are now.
They use the n-word for the black color in Spanish… Feels weird to say it ngl
its just a Spanish word. negro is not the n word. negro in English is a slur and still isnt the n word
I didn’t realize it was now considered derogatory rather than just old-fashioned.
Nitpick: Negro is pretty bad but it’s not a slur per se, more of a case where the terminology evolved. The slur is the N-word. Which is to say: My not very informed impression is that even racists don’t use the word “negro.”
And “n*gga” is a term of solidarity black people can choose to use and still isn’t the n-word!
They… don’t though.
“Black” in Spanish is “negro/negra”, said with an “e” like in “pet”.
Exactly ?
I’m sorry, you think “negro” is the n-word?
That would be because you would be saying it wrong if you pronounce it the same way, so yeah, that would be pretty weird.
… No, they don’t. It’s pretty ignorant and kinda racist in itself to even make that assumption
And that joke is racist/unacceptable.
Hard disagree. Languages differ and can be unintentionally offensive if people lack context and that is kinda funny. It plays on the joke in the comic of the person ordering really overthinking things instead of being aware that context makes ordering a black coffee a neutral thing.
The title builds on the joke and is pretty funny. Negro as used in Spanish isn’t offensive or derogatory outside of specific usage just like black.
Do you mean because that’s you ordering in the comic? Because apparently that’s you ordering in the comic.
It seems you’ve fallen right into my trap
Holy shit, that person thought of a racist word in their head! Get 'em!
An Americano you mean?
An African-Americano please
