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A 22-year-old German politician who secretly served in Ukraine’s army now faces expulsion from the pro-Russian Alternative for Germany party after calling his own leadership “Russia-kissers.”
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Indeed, the fascists in Europe are Russian testicle lickers and receive funding from Moscow. One of the primary missions for Russia and the f’ed up MAGA USA, divide and conquer the European Union. I fully support the EU and we must contain the Russians and MAGA.
I’d say it’s all about funding from Moscow. They are sort of shareholders in Russia’s resources, including its population that can be used to staff an army.
And if they play their cards right, they can take a share of the resources of their own countries, which they, looking at both Russia and MAGA and Israel, really want. Nation-states have a lot of resources. And it’s visible how one can have those resources maintaining a semblance of legality and with no revolution happening. People are ready to kill for much less, even risk death for a chance at getting much less.
Divide and conquer - I don’t think so. “International brotherhood of thieves” is more like it.
“Team red-blue vs team black” (meaning liberal-democrats+commies vs fascists) is past us, “team red vs team blue” (meaning commies vs liberal-democrats) is past us as well. Even “team empire vs team rebel” is secondary. It’s really “team thugs vs team suckers” now.
Yep, such positioning is not as epic as people in the interwebs would want it to be! It actually smells of piss. But that’s just how it is.
It’s not just funding. It’s also indirect support with propaganda on social media.
Fascists like fascists.
Especially if they get money/favors from each other.
Dude hwo fought against Russians joined a pro-Russian party?
America doesn’t have the monopoly on stupid. Although we do have a surplus of it.
You can be a Nazi and still be against Russians.
Most Nazis historically were.
Not the old “Ukraine is actually being freed, not invaded, so Russia is actually the good guy here” bullshit
Like I wonder what sort of pitiful pos you have to be to ever push something like that as a narrative when tinydick Putler has an ICC warrant out for him for warcrimes and Zelensky doesn’t.
But tankies never admit to not having logic or reason, it just slowly goes more berserk, into “well the UN is actually always wrong and Putin is the saviour of humanity” territory and I’m just tired of talking to bootlickers so
Dog what? Where did this even come from?
So you’re unaware that Russians are claiming they had to invade Ukraine to “denazify” it, which why their illegal war of aggression war (for which Putler has an ICC warrant) was somehow a humanitarian act and actually in service of good?
You’ve never heard of propaganda, or tankies? Alright then. Welcome to the internet. First day?
I’m aware of all that, you’re just reading between lines that weren’t written. When is the last time you had a conversation in real life?
Do you accept it?
That Putler is an immoral tiny dicked dictator who has an ICC warrant out for him and that the invasion of Ukraine was an illegal war of aggression in which Putin has continued committing warcrimes, like forcefully relocating children?
When’s the last time you saw Russian disinfo on Lemmy? Or… do you not think this completely unregulated service we use has no bad actors.
And when is the last time you took a fucking shower, with soap?
Trump hardliners want a power shift in the EU with the help of European allies. and this is one example.
Translation:
There are increasing indications that the Trump movement is actively interfering with the political future of the European Union. In March, the most influential conservative think tank in Washington, the Heritage Foundation, invited conservative thinkers from Vienna and Budapest to present their plans for the EU during a workshop.
“It is right for the United States to be involved in the future of Europe,” Nile Gardiner of the Heritage Foundation told Nieuwsuur. According to the prominent conservative thinker, Donald Trump is America’s first eurosceptic president. “The United States has protected Europe for so long that European governments should respect America’s views.”
Polish and Hungarian think tanks published an ambitious plan in March to fundamentally reform and dismantle the EU from within. A Hungarian investigative journalist uncovered the project, titled The Great Reset. The proposal was quickly adopted by the Heritage Foundation, the intellectual force behind Project 2025, the ideological blueprint for Trump’s agenda.
Power Back to Nation States
The now-public roadmap includes proposals to strip power from the European Commission and the European Court of Justice. It also calls for renaming the EU to the “European Community of Nations.” Power, according to the document, should return to the individual nation states of Europe.
“These proposals essentially amount to the complete dismantling of the European Commission, which would be reduced to handling only trivial matters,” explains Szabolcs Panyi, the journalist who obtained the document.
Nieuwsuur also spoke with one of the Polish authors of the plan, Zbigniew Przybyłowski of the conservative Ordo Iuris Institute: “We are calling for the restoration of democracy, freedom, and the sovereignty of nations. You could call that a power shift.”
“It’s quite unusual for such an article to appear on the U.S. State Department’s website.” – Lobbying expert Kenneth HaarU.S. Government Statement on Europe
In May of this year, a policy document appeared on the website of the U.S. State Department. In it, the American government raised alarm about the current state of Europe. The policy piece described Europe as having “degenerated into a hotbed of digital censorship, mass migration, and restrictions on religious freedom.” It criticized efforts to limit election participation, for example by labeling Germany’s Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) as “extremist.”
The document, titled The Need for Civilizational Allies in Europe, called for strengthening ties with far-right and ultraconservative allies in Europe, such as French politician Marine Le Pen, AfD leader Alice Weidel, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, and Dutch PVV leader Geert Wilders. It is unclear whether the U.S. policy statement was influenced by the Polish-Hungarian Great Reset project.
“There has already been collaboration between the MAGA movement (Trump’s Make America Great Again campaign) and the European far-right,” says Danish lobby researcher Kenneth Haar. “But seeing such a document appear on the U.S. government’s official website is remarkable.”
“The Pro-European Candidate is a Disaster”
Haar points to the Conservative Political Action Conferences (CPAC) from the U.S., which have been held in Europe for the past three years. “These are very large conferences with hundreds of participants and prominent speakers, involving all major far-right parties in Europe.”
This also occurred recently during a tight race between two Polish presidential candidates. At a special CPAC conference in Poland, Trump’s former Homeland Security Secretary publicly called for a vote in favor of the eurosceptic candidate Karol Nawrocki. She labeled his pro-European opponent “a disaster.” Members of the Trump camp also expressed explicit support this year for Germany’s far-right AfD.
“The Heritage Foundation and the entire MAGA alliance appear to be succeeding in uniting Europe’s far-right parties in a way those parties haven’t been able to achieve on their own,” Haar adds.
Nile Gardiner, Director of European Policy at the Heritage Foundation, sees signs of a shift already: “A wind of change is blowing through Europe, including the Netherlands. There’s growing distrust of the concentration of power among unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.”
Brussels Silent
The European Commission has yet to respond to the ambitions coming from Washington. But according to Hungarian journalist Panyi, Brussels should be paying close attention to the far-reaching American involvement in European politics.
“We see that two EU member states—Hungary and Poland—are trying to shape the future of the EU outside of official decision-making procedures. They are enlisting the help of the U.S. in the hope that Trump will put pressure on the European Commission. That’s a threat.”
Gardiner, on the other hand, sees it as an opportunity. “Europe works best when it is a collaboration between sovereign nation states. The EU, by contrast, is about concentrating political power in Brussels. In 20 to 30 years, the EU will look very different than it does today.”
Disclosure
For this report, Nieuwsuur investigated the plans of European and American think tanks regarding the political future of Europe. Nieuwsuur spoke with experts, MEPs, and journalists from France, the Netherlands, Czechia, Hungary, the UK, Germany, and Poland. We interviewed the following sources:
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Szabolcs Panyi, Hungarian investigative journalist, who uncovered The Great Reset project.
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Kenneth Haar, Danish researcher with the Corporate Europe Observatory, an independent organization tracking U.S. lobbying efforts in the EU.
The U.S. State Department declined to comment on Nieuwsuur’s questions. The European Commission has not yet responded. Any future statements will be added here.
They should focus on their own political system… We like democracy, F*** off
Fuck you Donald! You are immigrants from Europe and therefore we are the Grandparents of your country.
Bitch.
FR !!! Amen brother
Why is this a comment on this post and not a post of its own? 🤔
There is a post of this… Somewhere.
When the fucking fascist and communist talk about protecting culture and traditions, I understand to a certain point, but those assholes always use those excuses to ignite violence. The 1930’s and WW II are classic examples. F that shit and never again.
The communists? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I’ve not heard of that.
We like democracy, F*** off
Would you say the EU is democratic? It’s the one thing they got right, that the EU is undermining democracy. The European Commission are representatives of representatives. Van der Leyen was a backroom deal.
Do you know Von Der Leyen is working on a new independent satellite system Eutelstat en IRIS to replace starlink and help ukraine? It was her proposal. Ursula von der Leyen doing a lot of great things for Europe make no mistake. I honestly don’t care about her pfizer gate, because thats how negotiations work in politics. It cant be all transparant because why show all your cards on first hand… Thats not how that business works. I think she handled it well. She’s also working to make Europe less dependent on oil and gas, but to rely more on green energy sources. Plus we have multiple parties representing different groups in the EU. Instead of having only 2 or 4 like in the US. Plus we investing in science and universities, climate, or own independent software and satellites… So yes we doing good under Von Der Leyen imo.
Plus she is a woman on the top, which is such a good example for little girls to see how far they can go in life which I am here for.
Ah yes we were wrong all along. Corruption is actually good when a woman does it.
If you argue like that then we only need a king because there were kings who did great for their country.
It’s a great mistake to ignore the lack of democracy just because the wrong people point it out.
You need an argument for why the commission is still democratic, not just a list of benefits, no matter how good. Otherwise you confirm that it is not democratic.
What would be a democratic role model for Europe? How would you improve Europe’s democratic system?
Totale Rückverdummung
With just having read the summary, I would be happy with the limited role that the Heritage foundation suggests.
The Europe of regions sounds also interesting.
I think we need a debate that is expected to last years to come up with a good system. There are reasons for the current structure that are still valid. We can keep going for a while, but we should keep in mind that the influence of the public was minimized.
A quick improvement could come from adopting the fediverse for the EU. It should be easy for citizens to participate in debates.
With just having read the summary, I would be happy with the limited role that the Heritage foundation suggests. The Europe of regions sounds also interesting.
This is exactly what right-wingers in Europe (and China and Russia) are aiming at. This is backward-oriented and has nothing to do with democracy.
Why would a scaleback to national states not be democratic? They were democratic in the past.
Your comment shows a lack of understanding of what democracy is.
There is plenty of forms of democracy, and the appointment of the president of the European Commission is democratic.
It’s a form of parliamentary democracy, where the European Council, a symbolic “head of state” of the EU made of heads of states/governments of EU members, nominates a candidate, which has to then be approved by the European Parliament.
This is a democratic system very close to what is adopted in many democratic countries.
So yes, this is democratic. There is no “backroom deal”, this is just literally how a parliamentary democracy works. You elect representatives who make decisions for you, including appointing the executive.
Ah yes, is that why she also insisted in having a literal flat IN the commission’s building, where she enjoy extraterritoriality and the belgian police cannot search there?
Very democratic lmao
I don’t give a shit about Von der Leyen. I’m talking about the EU, not someone specific.
Do you remember that the parliament was supposed to select the candidate but they changed it back after everybody had voted? It was within the legal framework but against the spirit of democracy.
I actually don’t, could you point me to sources so that I can read about it? Can’t seem to find anything about it myself.
In September 2018, Weber announced his candidacy (Spitzenkandidat) for the post of the President of the European Commission for the 2019 European election.[13] (Under the unofficial Spitzenkandidat system, the leader of the European party that commands the largest coalition in the European Parliament subsequent to an election to the European Parliament is likely to become the European Commission president.[5][6])
Weber’s European People’s Party won a plurality of seats in the European Parliament in May 2019, thus making him the lead candidate to succeed Jean-Claude Juncker as President of the European Commission unless the Spitzenkandidat system was abandoned.[5] On 28 May, leaders of EU governments tasked European Council President Donald Tusk with leading the negotiations with members of the European Parliament and national leaders to pick a new European Commission President at an EU summit in late June 2019.[7] Tusk hinted that Weber was the “lead candidate.”[7] This did not materialise with Ursula von der Leyen, a fellow member of the European People’s Party, being appointed president.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Weber
Haven’t found it mentioned on her page. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen
Oh that! I thought you meant that when they decided of how the appointment should be done, they had a vote and ignored it.
I do see how that seems like it’s a non-democratic move, but it’s not. It is never up to the parliament to nominate the President of the Commission. The Parliament has a veto power, however. The Council nominates, “taking into account the result of the elections”, a candidate. The Parliament then approves them or vetoes them.
Their is a lot of subtility to the “democraticness” of a system.
While systematically picking the leader of the biggest coalition may seem like the most obviously democratic choice… It is actually not always the case. Especially in the European Parliament, where majorities are rare. So, if the leader of the largest group (let’s say, 30%) is impopular with the remaining 70%, who would all prefer another candidate, how is it democratic to go with the impopular candidate?
That’s why the parliament has a right to veto. The Parliament voted with a majority to elect Von der Leyen, when they were all aware that Weber was the most likely candidate initially. That makes her election democratic.
Just because Weber was the likely candidate due to the election results does not mean the Parliament would have elected him in the end, and that is also a consideration when the Council nominates a candidate. As a matter of fact, he was indeed impopular with a lot of coalitions, and Von der Leyen reveived 60% of the votes, with an informal coalition supporting her that consisted of the majority of the Parliament.
There is a LOT of misinformation about how the EU works, all pushed by bad faith actors trying to undermine the EU because together we are a threat to their influence.
Do you remember that they put the focus on the candidates because from that election on they were supposed to be taken?
The point is not that the largest group has to be taken but that the parliament itself should choose the president. The current modus was acceptable when the EU had no power. Now the EU can create regulations that become law.
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Ew 🖕🖕🖕🖕 F that guy
Nazi or Nazi. Who gives a fuck if they don’t like each other.
Splitting the base is a good thing.
I was looking at moving to Germany soon, can anyone there tell me if it is just headed towards US-levels of fascism? I feel like a lot of the news articles I read say as much, but I don’t unfortunately know if the sources are the equivalent of FOX News or what.
You already got good answers but I’m going to add this:
- There’s nothing special about Germany here. Many if not most EU countries suffer from far-right populist parties rising - however, within a democratic parliamentary system.
- This is very much a matter of degrees. Let’s say the US is 90% fascism, Germany is orders of magnitude less than that. There’s a lot to be added here, the USA’s long history of weakening checks and balances, Germany’s strong post-WW2 constitution etc.
English language news are (still) obsessed with Germany’s past and every Nazi thing out of Germany will get amplified 10x more than, say, out of France or Sweden.
I don’t think that will happen. We are watchful of everything working towards that direction.
And the racism is not nearly as open as in the US even in areas where the AfD is strong.
Belgian here. Can you guys watch harder please thanks
Will try
Didn’t AFD became the second biggest in the last elections? And a less far right, more center right party CDU became first, but its cutting it pretty close… What a wonderful world we live in
“biggest party” also doesn’t imply what it might in a US context. It’s still a minority of the country. The overwhelming majority of the country is anti-AfD
It‘s more that CDU became more „center right“ by German standards rather than them suddenly getting many votes. Merkel used to be chairwomen of the party when she was chancellor and most Americans would consider her left leaning. The party was a lot more popular back then too so becoming more right wing likely lost them a lot of votes.
The AfD is also confirmed right wing extremist by official watchdog agencies meaning it‘s eligible to get banned. So far the current coalition has not made any move to vote for a ban, claiming they want to defeat them politically. But that did not work out once in the last 10 years and will 100% fail. I expect either the CDU to completely implode soon or a ban of the AfD. Although it‘s questionable how effective a ban will be because some of their members will definitely start a new far right party immediately.
Although it‘s questionable how effective a ban will be because some of their members will definitely start a new far right party immediately.
True, its also America meddling in Europe with their far right allies to overthrow European government and replace them with far right leaders, still it baffles me how many people are so racist. Not just in Germany this is also happening in The Netherlands. Fucking shameful… I try to win people over but they keep being racists, its kind of hard to bring them to have empathy for others, just makes me hopeless for this world and idk if I wanna live in it tbh my moral compass in the way
Isn’t rebranding also illegal? They can’t just make notAfD-2.
Though for my money, every person associated with the party should be banned from politics. Some should go to jail for undermining democracy and the state at the behest of Russia.
Thank you for the response, genuinely appreciated!
Honestly, as a foreigner I have a different view. Politics are incredibly right wing, there’s basically just Die Linke which is center left everything else is at least center right.
The current government can be considered right wing extremist in that they have one of the toughest anti-immigration stances in Europe and they actively ignore court orders on stopping border controls or the arrest warrant against Netanyahu, and they are having corruption scandals en masse.
Islamophobia is widely accepted, and there is a significant part of rural Germany where AFD (the neo-Nazis) are the strongest party. And if not then, it’s often CDU with similar levels of racism, etc. just not openly neo-Nazi. There’s a growing issue with neo-Nazi teenagers planning terror attacks, disrupting pride protests and just generally attacking and intimidating people of color.
The government doesn’t address this issue enough and rather tries to blame immigrants for homophobia or antisemitism. Anti-genocide protests are being framed as antisemitic by politicians and media and the Gaza genocide is being framed as a humanitarian catastrophe and they generally feel that Gazans had it coming. Police violence happens literally at almost every protest and rhe police had impunity when beating up and sending unarmed protesters, including kids to the hospital or to jail. Germans are staunch Zionists with their Staatsräson and even after almost 2 years are nowhere near coming around.
Germans will generally deny most if not all of this and say that things are fine (see the downvotes), but they really aren’t. Currently, Germany is still a fine place to live in tbh, that is if you live in big cities and especially not in eastern Germany, but the direction the county is going is very wrong and people are afraid that there might a government coalition including AFD in the next 4-8 years
I can second this.
I was at the queer march yesterday in Berlin. And the amount of attacks and intimidation the police did to the march was unbelievable. Whereas the march was one of the most peaceful demonstrations I have ever seen. All the people marginalised, gay, trans, queer, muslim, jew, arab, black, asian, standing in solidarity against discrimination and crimes against humanity.
The police has so much power in Germany that it feels like a fascist police state. Even more scary is that when I look at any kind of media, I see these demonstrations demonised. IE the only piece of news from this demo yesterday is that someone throwing a glass bottle to a police. Like wtf police stopped, beat and arrested the demonstrators tens of times yet this is the news?
I was there too! Witnessed police brutality although that’s sadly not surprising or shocking anymore but rather expected. Once I was filming and suddenly there was a bunch of cops blocking my way and kinda locking me in when I actually wanted to go out of the crowd. It was a very intimidating moment, people very mostly very peaceful but the cops made me feel really unsafe.
Absolutely agree. I am a civil servant and my colleagues biggest fear is islam and foreigners.
Meanwhile i do not see our government take action against social injustice, the biggest driving force behind the growing discontent. Instead they blow into the same horn, blaming foreigners and the poor for our problems, the two groups least responsible.
It is really depressing as, just like u said, germany is still a good place to live right now but next elections scare me to death
Germany is not heading toward a Trump style regime. The big Conservative Party CDU has not forming a coalition with the AfD as a rule. The other parties will also do everything to keep AfD from power. Of course that doesn’t mean this can’t change. The current political climate is still favorable to the AfD and they are able to consolidate and expand their operations and supporters.
The AfD is big and has success in elections both local and federal. However there are internal factions, that don’t fully agree. A national-libertarian-conservative wing faces a völkisch neo-fascist wing. The AfD has not found their great charismatic leader like Trump yet. It could fracture as well.
The next federal elections are in four years. The current government has to be able to present some major achievements in the areas of cost of living, migration, and especially the economy. An end to the wars in Ukraine and Gaza would also help.
Even if the AfD becomes the biggest party in the next federal elections, a government of national unity or a minority government is more likely.
Institutions and laws in Germany are designed to prevent a fascist takeover. Of course this is no guarantee.
There’s also an ongoing attempt at making the AfD an illegal organization opposed to the state. A success there would mean it would have to disband and couldn’t participate in elections.
The political climate in Germany is more polarized than it used to be, but it’s not at US levels.
Germany, and especially Berlin, has been a Zionist police state for over a year, in addition to all the racism and Islamophobia. Fascism is absolutely making a comeback in Germany. See: https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2025/country-chapters/germany and https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/western-central-and-south-eastern-europe/germany/report-germany/
I’m stuck here in the US like you, but I want to point out that you might not get a meaningfully useful answer to your question here. The majority of posters here are still actively denying that the civil war has already started because that only happens in poor countries.
Does someone know what’s the overall sentiment of the German far-right wing to the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Obviously the AfD is pro-Russia, and the far-right shares similar views on queer people - or “LGBT extremism” as the Russian state calls it - for example, but on the other hand I can also see them showing sympathy for Ukraine with controversial figures like Oleksandr Alfiorov as head of the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory.
The modern far-right is heavily Pro-Russia overall. It’s the strongest in East Germany where there is also a lot of nostalgia for the GDR, both from the right and the left.
Add in some public AfD-figures making claims like “Hitler was a communist” and there is just infinite confusion and anyone ends up being free to believe whatever fits their view.
So you have far-right people opposing Ukraine because Ukraine had a Nazi-Battalion and you have far-right people claiming the Nazis were actually leftists. There’s no logic to be found here, but it all boils down to them being fans of Russia and gobbling up whatever gets pushed in their Facebook/Instagram/Twitter-Feeds.
I found a (possibly outdated) interesting German analysis paper by the Amadeu Antonio Foundation from March 2022 on how right wing extremists and conspiracy ideologists reacted to the conflict.
As it was mentioned, most of the far right (especially the AfD of course) is pro Russia. There is a smaller Nazi party called “Der III. Weg” (The third way) which is an interesting outlier though. They’re very pro Ukraine since they had good contacts with the Azov battalion even before the war. They claim that Ukraine is “fighting against Caucasian invaders of Europe”, call Russia “Neo bolshevists”, say they are supporting “anti white riots” in Africa and so on.
I am not german so i don’t know either, but Russia doesn’t have enough influence to force people to believe their stories. I believe even people who agree with Putin from a political point of view understand his invasion wasn’t called for. They know Zelensky isn’t a nazi. Even if they buy the story of NATO having expanded too far east they are often not against being in NATO for example. It is interesting there seems to be a difference in how the party leaders treat Russia and how their voters view Russia.
What i think matters most is not what they think but rather how much they care. Their nationalism comes from a need to care for themselves first, it’s a kind of egoism that i think is rooted in a falsely perceived threat (There are no houses/jobs, because foreigners took them. The taxes are too high because there are too many lazy people living off benefits. There is no good healthcare/education because CEO’s earn too much)*. These threats they perceive are much bigger problems, so they can’t afford to worry about that that war in Ukraine. They will say it’s not really our business anyway, we shouldn’t meddle with foreign affairs. Let the Russians deal with this.
* before i get dogpiled, i’m not saying that it isn’t a problem if there is a lack of housing and jobs, there are high taxes and health care and education are unaffordable; my point is they see an enemy that cause these issues intentionally and they need to fight that enemy (foreigners/lazy people/CEO’s).
European far-right are similar to republicans in Russia’s eyes. We cannot know how much money and influence there is between Russia and them but it is clear that they are the side Russia supports. Obviously it is entire possible that a far-right party isn’t financially or otherwise supported by Russia, but even if they are not at all, the party will have a similar views of the world.
I am not german so i don’t know either, but Russia doesn’t have enough influence to force people to believe their stories.
There are enough right wing and conspiracy theories channels on social media that will spread their lies to the last boomer and Facebook moms. Russia doesn’t need much to spread their ideas, just a few believable looking news sites run by them, and enough local influencers who share their stories in the German right wing bubbles to confirm what the people already believe.
they see an enemy that cause these issues intentionally
Expensive housing is caused by zoning laws. It is intentional, just not organised by foreigners and lazy people.
I’d like to add detail to that
The German equivalent of zoning laws are certainly an issue, but the main drivers of housing costs are firstly mismatched supply/demand because of internal migration & regulations that favor existing tenants (plus ofc immigration). And we’ve got expensive building standards. Like… even if you build to a “low” standard today, it is more luxurious than any of the like seven places I’ve lived in.
In a somehow related news, Hungary Moves to Jail Its Own Citizen for Joining Ukraine’s Fight Against Russia
The Hungarian authorities have charged the man in absentia with “illegal recruitment by joining an armed organization outside the forces of an allied state for the purpose of engaging in armed conflict.”
This is what you get from the far-right (and the far-left) I guess.
Who is far-left in this case? Both Orban and AfD are right wing nuts…
That was only hypothetical. In that case they are all clearly far right, but in principle I guess the far left wouldn’t show a different stance imho.
What far left?
“in principle I guess” kinda gives it away.
What are you even talking about? The left is supportive of Ukraine.
Center left maybe. Far left in many countries are not
That’s not because they’re pro Russia, but because the “far left” is anti-nationalist and both Ukraine and Russia are fighting for each their nationalist cause.
Ukraine is fighting to not be genocided.
Russian Imperialist apologia is insane, but especially insane when it comes from so-called Leftists.
Do you think that Russia is the only one doing propaganda?
I’d like to think the far left would prosecute people for volunteering for fascist armies
This is the Russian propaganda narrative of “de-Nazification”.
It’s also the Nuremberg trials, dipshit.
Also the much better version the Soviets did.
Yeah, that’s why people on the left hate Russia and support Ukraine.
We do?
I hate the capitalist fascist order that russia is a part of. Doesn’t mean I want more war. I’m not a lockheed martin simp
That’s all armies
What? Hit c/anarchism or something and ask what those guys would think of volunteering in the Ukrainian army. You might be thinking of tankies, which are one subset of the far left but not in any way a dominant one because they’re also nutjobs.
A large part of the German left opposes to send weapons to Ukraine, and the German party ‘Die Linke’ (‘The Left’) urges the West to open.‘peace negotiations’ in collaboration with China (completely ignoring that Beijing is Russia’s strongest ally with apparently little interest in peace while acting increasingly aggressive against Taiwan and in the South China Sea).
There are certainly others left and right as we can see in the article, but extremists on both sides reject democratic values.
I can’t speak for the German left in general, but Die Linke absolutely supports sending weapons to Ukraine. The China thing is a very reasonable position, not unassailable but not in any way against democratic values. You seen to already have your conclusion made up, but the facts don’t support it at all. Again, literally just go ask the people on c/anarchism or any other non-tankie leftwing community what they think. And to be clear, anarchists are so extremist they literally think all authority is evil; these guys are not moderates.
Maybe we could ask Israel to do it. They’re also a Russian ally and the idiots centrists just loves sending them weapons (it’s good for the DE40)
How dare these extreme leftists be against war??? How radical. Who else is gonna pay for our weapons industry?
They should really start accepting democratic values like “war”
“War bad.”
What a bold and nuanced understanding of reality. Get this lemming a Peace Prize!
