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    They’re only turning against Trump now because he is the worst thing a GQPedo can be- unelectable. They only care about power. Bush was 100% their guy until the 2008 election then he was persona non grata to the point he wasn’t even invited to events. DO NOT believe this “I see the truth now” BS, because the next obvious Hitler that comes along they’ll be voting for three times again.

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    “Three time trump voter”

    Shoulda just stopped right there.

    Three. Times.

    History was always there, ready to be picked up and used as a mirror. Trump has always been who he was. Cruelty, nationalism, and prejudice haven’t changed definitions. There were no secrets.

    These douchenozzles are all the same. They were perfectly happy to let trump F everything up as long as it was everyone else getting F’d. As soon as it inconveniences them, they suddenly find some kind of righteous morality.

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      They were perfectly happy to let trump F everything up as long as it was everyone else getting F’d. As soon as it inconveniences them, they suddenly find some kind of righteous morality.

      Yes. That’s partially because many Americans are racist (or at least willing to throw someone else under the bus) and weak-minded, and partially because our education has been intentionally dismantled by the parasite class.

      Now, are you more interested in lauding your own moral superiority over them (thereby making them feel unwelcome in spaces and communities able to enact actual positive change) or are you more interested in building working class consciousness?

      You have to pick one.

      If you’re a marginalized / vulnerable person, by all means stay away from these people because yes, they are largely indoctrinated garbage and will probably make you feel unsafe. And you can disregard everything I’m saying in this comment because it’s not my position to tell you how to respond to that danger.

      But if you’re a white liberal (not exactly a longshot guess here on Lemmy), then that is your responsibility. You aren’t going to dismantle whiteness by finger-wagging and offering “I told you so” on the internet, you’ll dismantle it by showing them another, better way.

      It’s either that or you round them up and kill them, and I don’t think that would be a particularly beneficial approach (except for those convicted Nuremberg style). Otherwise, these people aren’t going away and will continue to effect the trajectory of our country. You can try to help heal them, or you can deal with the consequences of them continuing to exist as a moral, spiritual, and emotional black hole.

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        You said it yourself, they aren’t going away. The only way to have a semblance of a fix for this situation is to repair all the things the parasite class broke, and that’s education, financial security (jobs, wages, and things like single-payer healthcare), and time. That will stop most of the overt destructive hatred from the Right.

        This is like the old racists from the South. They won’t go away. They exist. They refuse to change unless they’re forced to by a family member marrying a minority or something equally life-event changing, and even then it’s iffy. What improves things is the next generation to having it better. They get exposed to different people an have a better education, they get the stability and have less opportunity to jump on the racist bogeyman-wagon.

        We’re not going to fix the current generation. They’re broken.

        Unfortunately it’s going to be hard to fix anything at all with the Dems being witting failures, the Republicans dismantling everything and instituting fascism, and the geopolitics and economics shifting away from the US leaving us in worse condition to build things right.

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          We’re not going to fix the current generation. They’re broken.

          “Fix”, probably not, “improve”, maybe so. They’re still sick, exploited humans deserving of love. Unless they’ve actually killed someone in an ICE detention camp or something, then they should be swinging from a (judicially mandated) rope.

          I pretty much agree with everything you said though, yeah. I don’t actually think the US is salvageable, I think the empire will collapse and the country will probably balkanize. It’s a terminally ill nation, and how could it not be, with what it ate growing up? I’m just trying to help who I can on the way down and reduce the number of future deaths however I can.

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        Nah, fuck em. If they could be so easily manipulated into violating the social contract, then they don’t deserve the benefits till they can prove they won’t keep trying to fucking kill us all.

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          Talking about “the social contract” when you (presumably) voted for an avowed genocidaire like Holocaust Harris is chronically out-of-touch. Ask Palestinians if they feel you’re upholding the social contract among humanity in general.

          You are, ironically, defaulting to a mindset which is the product of white supremacy / colonial styles of thinking in order to combat a different symptom of white supremacy. “Everyone who does not think like me must be destroyed.” And yet we both know you’ll never have the courage to do any of that destroying yourself (and it would be remarkably stupid if you did, because these people aren’t the ones calling any shots in this country whatsoever).

          And if you’re a white liberal, stop being so dramatic. “They’re trying to fucking kill us all!!!” No they aren’t, they’re trying to extract money from you. Same as every other administration in America since they concluded their holocaust against the indigenous people here.

          Your mode of thinking is a dead-end and you must know that too. These people will continue to do harm until they either die or feel loved / accepted / safe / like their needs are met. You want to feel better about yourself more than you want to make the world better for others. I think that’s extremely pathetic and you’re just as much of a moral failure as they are.

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            Drop the “Genocide Harris” crap. Completely irrelevant to the discussion and deliberately insulting. The alternative was trump and look how much good that did, arguably orders of magnitude worse. Don’t be stupid.

            E: Childish response. Blocked.

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              Nah.

              Holocaust Harris

              More people died in Palestine during the Joe Biden administration than the Donald Trump administration. They’re both Zionazi parasites, but just like Red MAGA, Blue MAGA hates basic quantifiable facts.

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              How are you feeling about the verifiable reality that the Genocide Joe / Holocaust Harris administration killed more human beings in Palestine than the Donald Trump administration has?

              I’m sorry that you feel that facts are Republican. If it’s any consolation, I hate them just as much as I hate your preferred genocidal imperialists.

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                Do you actually know how your statement is misleading or are you just repeating your propaganda? You can’t even acknowledge that half hearted support from the Dems isn’t as bad as full throated support from republicans but honestly I’m not terribly concerned for stupid middle eastern forever holy wars since the last time Trump was in office he killed millions of Americans right here in America where I live and am rightfully primarily concerned with. At this rate glass Jerusalem mecca and the fuckin vatican for all I care, I am primarily concerned with stopping and reversing the fascism happening here right now because I live here and religious people will always use their gods to justify killing people. And if we can fix things here that would generally involve cutting military support to every genocidal regime. Now do another both sides ya fuckin republicant.

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                  honestly I’m not terribly concerned for stupid middle eastern forever holy wars

                  Stopped reading, fuck off white supremacist

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      I mean to be fair he gave a good explanation i thought, slowly realizing over time that he was wrong. Yeah is he a dumbass for voting for him three times, of course. But apparently half our country is dumbasses and understanding how their minds work is key to surviving in this dumbass country.

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        “Do hateful bullshit to the people I don’t like and I’ll vote for you.”

        There, that’s how their brains work. It’s not some complicated mystery.

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            Because something Trump did affected him personally. He hasn’t changed his beliefs or become a better person. He’s just a selfish asshole who got fucked over.

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                I read the article. Nothing in there contradicts my statement. His only stated reason for supporting Trump was that he was the “real deal”. Trump’s platform was entirely based on hateful bullshit every time he ran. The logical conclusion to take from that is he supported Trump because of the hateful bullshit.

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                  He said it wasn’t one thing but rather the accumulation of everything over time. There’s no indication that “the gas prices broke him” or something.

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            I’m guessing he ended up being collateral damage and they always suddenly have a conscience when it’s them gettin the fuckin.

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          I mean if we’re doing caricatures liberal voters would be “tell me about how you’re anti war and pro worker but then prioritize corporations and Israel once you’re elected”.

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      Until either Democratic or Republican party primaries produce decent candidates who prioritize the American people the general elections are irrelevant.

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    For every 1 person turning a new leaf, there are 99 ex-republicans that will be “done with politics” while constantly talking shit about liberals and never taking accountability for their own actions.

    We live in a democracy. When you vote for someone that does horrible things, that’s like hiring someone to do horrible things for you. They are “just following orders” from you, the voter.

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      It would help if Republicans could distinguish between the actual “radical left” and the center-right (and moving further right) DNC. If they knew actual leftist policies, many would support them, as has been shown in a bunch of those “tricking Trump voters” Youtube videos. Unfortunately they’ve been conditioned to fear words like “socialism” and “communism” so you have to wrap the concepts in cheese, metaphorically, while feeding it to them.

      We live in a democracy.

      We live in a plutocracy. Otherwise the Biden Admin would’ve ended all aid to Pissrael and the Trump Admin wouldn’t have gone to war with Iran. Otherwise the data center using 2x the energy of the entire state of Utah wouldn’t have been approved. Otherwise cannabis would be federally legal.

      We only have the illusion of democracy. Democracy theater.

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      We live in a democracy. When you vote for someone that does horrible things, that’s like hiring someone to do horrible things for you.

      I mean this doesn’t just apply to horrible things right? Voters who support a candidate are responsible for their failures, dereliction of duty along with their successes correct?

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    “but we don’t learn from history”

    Nah bitch, YOU don’t learn. Don’t try to lump me in with your inability to feel compassion or hold a coherent thought.

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        Yay we get Blue MAGA “yes we are committing genocide but at least we will pretend to be sorry about it” instead of Red MAGA “fuck yeah we’re committing genocide, rock flag and eagle!”

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          Blue maga is a russian psyop, it is genuinely an RT, fox news, breitbart talking point. It’s a shitty rebrand of bOth SIdeS when people rightfully started making fun of those idiots. Don’t be one of those idiots.

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            I don’t give a shit. “Fake News” was dumb MAGA shit too, but it doesn’t mean it’s not true. Russia is no more evil than the United States is, I’ll listen to all perspectives and form my own conclusions.

            And my conclusion is that bOth SIdeS are equally evil. They serve the same masters, the billionaires and Zionazis. Just because you refuse to acknowledge they’re offense and defense on the same team doesn’t make it less true.

            How are you feeling about California Democrats failing to pass universal healthcare for like the 27th time despite having a supermajority? How are you feeling about the fact that quantifiably more people died in Palestine during Joe Biden’s term than Donald Trump’s?

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                How are you feeling about the verifiable reality that the Genocide Joe / Holocaust Harris administration killed more human beings in Palestine than the Donald Trump administration has?

                I’m sorry that you feel that facts are Republican. If it’s any consolation, I hate them just as much as I hate your preferred genocidal imperialists.

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      There were no boomers in the 1930s, life expectancy was 62. We now have demented voting for demented.

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    73 year old Hawaii resident Richard Sniffer regrets voting repeatedly for Trump now that his gas prices are way higher.

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      Pedophilia? Ok

      Corruption? Ok

      Mass killings in wars ? Ok

      Cutting social services? Ok

      Record debt? Ok

      $4.90 a tank of gas? Whoa…HANG ON THERE…

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        Most conservatives are literally incapable of giving a fuck about bad things happening unless they directly impact themselves.

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      “Now that it affects me I’m mad at him”. Not the myriad other reasons no sane person wouldn’t vote for mango Mussolini

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      not necessarily. they’ve done enough damage to fuck the rest of us over for decades. we’re already mega fucked but it’s going to keep getting a lot worse, much faster, especially once a clear end is in sight. the way heavily addicted drug users will binge and purge when they know the ruse is up.

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    Get fucked, Johnny come lately. That’s all been obvious since 2015. You weren’t brainwashed, you’re just a Nazi who got conned.

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      Yeah… The mid 2020s??? Oh, that was all three guys no one voted for.

      The big difference between Hitler and Trump is the people did not elect Hitler, not even once.

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      They already are. And they were.

      They were lied to.

      That’s why Donald is polling lower than Jimmy Carter.

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        They were lied to - and then chose to ignore their fellow citizens telling them that for years. They chose to ignore those signs for years. We didn’t give Germany a pass for Hitler because enough folks after the war said they finally saw the light; instead, we proceeded with a plan of denazification.

        There are a lot of factors at play, not the least of which being critical thinking and education. I don’t think it’s accurate to say there is now broad scale agreement on these issues because a bunch of Trumpers are just now, 2 terms in, realizing that they were duped.

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          and then chose to ignore their fellow citizens telling them that for years.

          Factually incorrect. What you told them was to vote for Democrats who they’d just watched, for four years, ignoring their increasing impoverishment and running immigration policy that was not feasible long-term. And you were always rude, condescending assholes about it.

          The vast majority of these people voted for two things: Affordability and immigration enforcement. That’s it. They, as evidenced by their own political activity and Donald’s poll numbers, do not support a Gestapo-style crackdown of Democratic cities nor economic policy that super-charges the inflation and price gouging they endured under Joe Biden. Further, many of these former Trump voters were on the picket lines in Minneapolis too.

          And it’s a good thing that they’re speaking out against Donald now. So resist the urge to be a finger-wagging douche about it.

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            resist the urge to be a finger-wagging douche about it.

            No need for personal attacks, but it does mean I generally won’t be responding to your “points”.

            Save for one observation: it’s strange to be upset at and fixate on some generalized boogeymen being “condescending” given the scope of what has happened due to MAGA gaining power. One is some people potentially being rude, while the other is a shared suffering (in some cases losses of careers, losses of savings, even some deaths) because of the poor decisionmaking of a voting bloc.

            Point that anger in the right direction. Yes, I’m glad some of those voters are turning around. Still waiting on a tangible result.

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        They weren’t lied to, they were told unequivocally that this would happen, Trump himself said he would do all this. This is what they genuinely wanted, they just didn’t want the consequences of economic devastation even though everybody kept telling them this is exactly what would happen. Nobody gets to claim they were lied to and if they genuinely believed it all they’re too ignorant to participate in society. Fuck every last one of em, and fuck all the non voters too, this is every bit as much their fault as well. Now watch all the tankys and liberals come in telling me how everything is actually the democrats fault.

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    This is what genuine intelligence looks like. This man was able to look inward, admit he was misled and made a mistake and tries to correct it while learning something in the process.

    Too bad half the country is dumber than this.

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      I still have trouble giving a pass for the whole 3-time Trump voter thing. More than half the country is smarter than this, because half didn’t vote Trump at all, and some percentage of Trump voters didn’t vote for him multiple times.

      I get it, credit where it’s due and all that. I’m glad he came to his senses, but we don’t have to pretend he’s a genius for it.

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      hold on to that hope. I imagine this dumbass will happily vote for JD couchfucking vance with absolutely zero reflection

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        The intelligence here is the ability for this person to change their core beliefs after seeing, and accepting, facts.

        It matters less how long it took for them to get here, and more that they are here now

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            Some people will see and feel things directly and change their opinions. Others, the real fucking problems here, will just keep doubling down. Those are the ones who will kill us all and themselves

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              The dude double downed for 14 years and now it’s too late and trump has the country by the balls, and how many millions have already died since the first trump election? Stop it, yes it’s good the guy is finally seeing the light, he’s still a fucking moron and intelligence belongs nowhere near his name.

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              Sure… Are we in this current predicament because people will eventually realize that trump is a POS, or are we in it because they didn’t realize it 10, 6, and/or 2 years earlier?

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                The line im drawing is between those who can change and those who cannot. This guy is still a fool but better than the unwaivering true believers.

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          The capacity for introspection and change is an important and valuable quality, but that’s not what intelligence means.

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            The ability to change your point of view upon receiving external information challenging that point of view is definitely a key component of intelligence. Both Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking have essentially said the same thing.

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          If it takes a decade to see and accept facts it’s no so much intelligence as an accidental brain neuron firing.

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            I don’t think you’re taking into account the monumental propaganda machine in America. Especially with conservative media, which gradually ramped it up to the point it is at today. This was all planned in the 70s: conservatives knew then that an educated populace spelt doom for the Republican party, so they intentionally created a media machine to brainwash people. Check out the Powell memo.

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          I don’t think people are so much doubting his intelligence as doubting the sincerity of his about-face?

          Is he against Trump because he’s become enlightened, and wishes to renounce all the bigoted ideals Trump championed?

          Or has Trump’s deranged rampage personally hurt him more than he could tolerate? And now he wants a more placid ride?

          It’s hard to say. And I’m not very willing to let a fascist get away scot-free, even if a few reformed racists have to suffer the social consequences of their actions in the meanwhile. It’s not charitable, sure. But fascism is a disease and you don’t eradicate a disease by being charitable when quarantining.

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          I’d say it matters quite a lot that it took them this long to get there. Quite a lot indeed.

          These people should be banned from polite society and be glad that’s all.

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            Surely there’s nothing in your life that took you a while to understand? Statements like yours always come off as elitist, and its hard to imagine you’d hold yourself to the same standard.

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              It’s ridiculous to me that you think I wouldn’t hold myself to the standards that I already have. Which is to vote for that piece of shit 0 times. I don’t need some sort of secret playbook or cheat codes to understand that a conman is a conman and will always be a conman. Drain the swamp? Dude is the swamp thing.

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                Well I hope you intend to ban yourself from polite society when you break your own rule then.

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                  You sound like somebody who should already be banned from polite society based on the previously described rules. Why should I give a shit what you think? Get the fuck out of here. Destroy your computers, your fridge, your toilet and live in the woods like the animal you are.

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      Not at all.

      The backlash against Minneapolis was bipartisan, at least among the people. The backlash to the war is even more mainstream. Donald’s popularity is even worse than that of Jimmy Carter, so a significant percentage of people who voted Republican are likely to flip or simply not vote in the next election.

      The problem is that people who voted Republican, admit it, and then affirm publicly they’re going to vote differently have the fingers of Democratic partisans (And hypocritically, at that, given their support of genocide) wagging in their face, and people are more likely to not vote at all than to vote for someone who outwardly and purposely hates them despite their change of heart.

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        You’re in the wrong community it seems. This is a hate community towards Trump lol

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          It’s not just Trump, he’s just the main figurehead right now. Very often before Trump it was just Republicans because let’s face it, hypocrisy is a feature for them so when they get petards hoisted it’s extra funny.

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    The caller, who identified as Thomas from Hawaii, told host Taylor Popielarzthat he now regrets his votes for Trump.

    “It’s hard for me to say this,” Thomas said. “But I think if I can open up about it in public that it might help others. I wanted to believe Trump was the real deal for a long time — even though I had doubts because I knew enough about his business history to think otherwise. But now I regret my support for him, and I should’ve known better. He’s making it plain as day. He’s a con man, a liar, doesn’t keep his promises. He’s in office all for himself and he doesn’t even try to hide his corruption anymore.”

    Thomas added, “He’s the worst president we’ve ever had and he’s the most corrupt president we’ve ever had. I know it’s hard, it took me a while to be able to say that. Very difficult when you commit yourself to believing in somebody.

    Popielarz asked Thomas whether he’d voted for Trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024 — and Thomas confirmed that he had. The host followed up by asking what was “the straw that broke the camel’s back” for Thomas.

    “I don’t think it’s one thing, it’s been a cumulative process,” Thomas said. “And it’s gotten so blatant now…He was gonna lower prices on day one, he was gonna do this on day one, only he could fix all this stuff. And now I understand how somebody like Adolf Hitler was able to brainwash millions of people. I never I thought I’d see that again in my lifetime. But it’s happened, right? I thought we got past that, but we don’t learn from history.”

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      Very difficult when you commit yourself to believing in somebody

      It’s really not.

      Here’s a tip, don’t “commit yourself” to any fucking slimy politician (let alone this one)

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      This guy is not for real. No Trump voter knows how to use the word “cumulative.”

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      A lot of people actually didn’t get through that. Too many people seem to think that just because most people survive something that “we got through it” and so it was fine even if it was pretty bad.

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      I’m actually impressed. It’s incredibly difficult to leave an identity cult without professional help. The guy is genuinely an inspiration and I hope others that heard him will also be inspired.

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    Sounds like a mostly reasonable person.

    Yes, the Democrats will win a majority somewhere in November. They’re currently up 14% over Republicans nationally and that is rig-proof, blue wave territory. I don’t see them making any major changes though, and they’re probably salivating at the thought of the money they can make for themselves now that it’s okay to insider trade AND insider-gamble on crypto and prediction markets.

    A few will give some memorable, impassioned speeches before pulling the lever to insider trade, though.

    Their strategy of lying down (and/or collaborating) and letting Donald jump off a cliff has worked, and sadly, to the detriment of all. I wish these bastards had actually opposed something.

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      they’re probably salivating at the thought of the money they can make for themselves now that it’s okay to insider trade AND insider-gamble on crypto and prediction markets.

      That kinda took a weird turn, but okay.

      A few will give some memorable, impassioned speeches before pulling the lever to insider trade, though.

      ??

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          You don’t think Ds insider trade, that they aren’t corrupt?

          You’re cute. Just look at Maxine Waters and her family and open your eyes, they’re all millionaires now. I could fill pages with examples of major party corruption. Idiots, indeed!

          Also, the Ds require independent votes to win any election. You’re in the minority, Ds are 30%, Rs are 30%, and Independents are now over 40%.

          You’re not doing yourself or your party any favors when you insult those you need. Especially if you think we’re stupid and petty.

          Figure it out, professor

          https://news.gallup.com/poll/700499/new-high-identify-political-independents.aspx

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        I think the point is that America really needs a strong overhaul to prevent something like Trump happening again, but there are not enough Democrats that are motivated by changing the status quo rather than increasing their personal wealth/power.

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              Her position on Israel even after months of Genocide (voting twice to keep on giving “defensive” help to Israel, though later she changed that position) leaves me with a feeling that she doesn’t have strength of principle: when a country has already murdered so many babies that the list of babies 1 year old or younger murdered by Israel in Gaza in just the first 3 months of the Genocide is 17 pages long, nobody with even the most basic moral and principles who has the strength to stand by them, will vote for any support for that country in any way, form or shape - wrapped with a “for defense” wrapping paper or otherwise - quite the opposite.

              Even if she is honestly a good person (which I do hope she is), somebody with such willingness and capability to ignore maybe one of the strongest moral compulsions there is (that one has against the murder or children and those who would do it) that they vote twice to support a baby-mass-murdering nation whilst they are activelly mass murdering babies, even if she trully believe it was only for their “defense” (which would also make her an idiot, since if “defense” is taken care of by the US, it frees Israeli military resources for more mass murdering and makes then unafraid of reprisals so they’re even more extreme in their mass murdering, which was EXACTLY what happenned) doesn’t have the strength of moral and principles of, for example, a Teddy Roosevelt.

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          The Dems won’t undo anything Trump has done. The seal has been broken. Power only wants more power. The US system is cooked.

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            Shows just how rigged the system is against the average person. We can see from Mamdani that you need an exciting candidate first and foremost, then the voter support comes after naturally. People need to feel excited to vote in a system where they feel their voices aren’t being heard.

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              If people need to feel excited about getting involved in their own civic self interest then people deserve trump and republicans.

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              you need an exciting candidate first and foremost

              Yeah I’m sorry that’s bullshit.

              More boring candidates, please. Mamdani is an outlier in a super blue city.

              This isn’t a fucking Super Bowl halftime show, this is boring shit and it should be boring.

              “The candidate wasn’t exciting enough” has never, and will never, be a legitimate excuse for not voting for someone.

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                Low information and low political engagement people do need someone who excites them to get off the couch and vote.

                The type of people who live for personal drama and excitement.

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                Nobody is talking about legitimate excuses, we’re talking about reality, and the reality is that Kamala starts losing momentum the moment she stops being exciting to the average voter when she pivots to cater more to the right wing voters and her donors.

                Mamdani won from being 1% of the polls due to being exciting, which inspired his voter base to go door to door and spread his message. You’re also still spreading the lie that a progressive win is only possible in a super blue cities when Platner has already proved that an exciting progressive candidate can make headway even in a purple states? I think your views are outdated at this point.

                Also, I don’t know why you keep attacking progressive politics despite the fact that your country is already tearing itself apart due to the decades of status quo politics rotting it from the inside out. Be ready to change if you want to stop the death spiral your country is currently in or get out of the way of people who wants to make a change.

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          Yeah. There’s a new sentence at the bottom now that kinda ties it up better. I too would prefer a badass karate-kicking Democratic party. Since Iraq War I they’ve been a mix of a little firey and at lot lame.

          (It is primary season, just, as an aside.) But fuck me even Reagan republicans wouldn’t have thrown everything in the toilet in eight months. (Unless they did cause yes they’re all old).

          Politics is boring and when it’s not people get all upset. Governance shouldn’t have to be so pro-wrestling.

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        Yeah, because they’re usually held in the spring and summer. They’re currently ongoing and some are already finished.

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        Yes, there will be.

        Your social media algorithm may be sensationalizing things to keep you engaged, but after Minnesota, any hope of a coup is gone, because Minnesota taught the authoritarians that they didn’t have a mandate to go full Gestapo. It also taught them that trying would not only piss off Democrats, but also fracture their own power base and create resistance among Republicans, which is why they’re speedrunning their grift on order to maximize the financial returns before the window closes and they have to pretend they care about ethics again.

        Hell, CBP killed two people in Minneapolis and all it did was motivate more people to get out into the streets, people wearing both colors of jerseys, not unlike how Nazis trying to batter Warsaw into submission created the most metal resistance movement of WWII.

        November is going to be a bloodbath. The only downer is that Democrats don’t actually oppose anything, so the extent to which it will matter is debatable. That fact, more than anything, should be comforting to you if you’re honestly afraid of canceled elections.

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    If you live in the US and have ever wondered what you would have done in the shoes of an equivalent German citizen leading up to the 30s, wonder no longer: you’re doing it right now.

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      Funnily enough in Germany the far right party looks like it’s set to win the next major election in a few years. If we start another world war in the 30s you were warned. But I also know I would not have done shit to prevent it

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      I’m taking a shit, just like my German ancestors did?

      I feel like there’s far less beer and kraut in my diet…